shoptalk-digest Tuesday, 29 October 1996 Volume 01 : Number
021
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 04:53:04 -0400
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Clubheads
Try Harvey Penick for a name club. Otherwise try Raven Golf supply at
raven_golf@msn.com for the Beater irons. Stealth for woods. Heel / toe
cavity back putter.
Scott Fishel
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> From: Chuck West <chuckw1@airmail.net>
> To: ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com
> Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Clubheads
> Date: Wednesday, October 23, 1996 12:13 AM
>
> >Does anyone have any recomendations on clubheads for a beginning
clubmaker?
> >The Mad Dog, Zero Center, XPS Plus, Copper Head, and Harvey Pennick
are
my
> >top contenders.
> >Do any of you have a price list for them, the catalogs aren't scheduled
to
> >come to my house for another week or so. Also, if you own any
of the
above,
> >could you please tell my how they, look, feel, distance, etc.
Thanks in
> >advance!
>
> The XPC Plus irons/woods are very popular. I have made 2 sets of XPC
Plus
> irons and about 15 woods. I have used the XPC Bulge shaft in most of
the
> woods. I have also used the Aldila Low Torque Plus shaft with good
success.
>
> The Harvey Penick head looks very nice. I like hitting it but haven't
found
> too many others that like the feel.
>
> Prices are as follows (close) Wood Head Iron Head
> XPC Plus $26.50 $ 9.25
> Harvey Pennick $33.50 $15.50
> Copperhead $23.95 $ 8.25
> Don't know about the others.
>
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From: A02CSM1@MVS.CSO.NIU.EDU
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 96 05:26 CDT
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Blue book of golf clubs ?
*From: mpace@JUNO.COM(Morgan W Pace)
*Sender: owner-shoptalk@CONCH.AA.MSEN.COM
*Precedence: bulk
*Reply-To: ShopTalk@CONCH.AA.MSEN.COM
*
*Has anyone seen a book published on used golf clubs like the auto or
*firearms blue books? If so I would appreciate some information on it.
*
*Thanks -- mpace
The one I use if from Golfworks, dont recall the name. I'm not all
that impressed with the book, would also be interested in other
sources.
Carl Mc Kinley
Carl's Golf Shop
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From: dave@nardoni.com (dave magyar)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:11:05 -0400
Subject: ShopTalk: reshaft my 3 wood
i am interested in putting a new shaft on my 3 wood. does anyone know
where/how i can get more information on how to do this myself?
dave magyar
dave@nardoni.com
http://www.nardoni.com
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From: Brynj2@aol.com
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:00:06 -0400
Subject: ShopTalk: Tour Model LH Driver
I am looking for a "Tour Model" driver head for a left hander.
He wants a low
loft, ~8 or 9 degrees if possible. I cannot find this component in my
catalogs. Can anyone guide me to one of these? He also wanted an x-stiff
graphite shaft that he thought was an Apollo. No luck there, either. Any
help
would be greatly appreciated.
Dave
Caliber Custom Clubs
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 19:43:01 -0400
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: reshaft my 3 wood
Golfsmith & Golfworks both have books and videos available.
Scott Fishel
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> From: dave magyar <dave@nardoni.com>
> To: shoptalk@conch.aa.msen.com
> Subject: ShopTalk: reshaft my 3 wood
> Date: Wednesday, October 23, 1996 10:11 AM
>
> i am interested in putting a new shaft on my 3 wood. does anyone know
> where/how i can get more information on how to do this myself?
>
> dave magyar
> dave@nardoni.com
> http://www.nardoni.com
>
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 19:46:20 -0400
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Tour Model LH Driver
Try Dynacraft or Raven Golf. Both have web and e-mail pages searching for
golf components.
Scott Fishel
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> From: Brynj2@aol.com
> To: shoptalk@conch.aa.msen.com
> Subject: ShopTalk: Tour Model LH Driver
> Date: Wednesday, October 23, 1996 6:00 PM
>
> I am looking for a "Tour Model" driver head for a left hander.
He wants a
low
> loft, ~8 or 9 degrees if possible. I cannot find this component in
my
> catalogs. Can anyone guide me to one of these? He also wanted an x-stiff
> graphite shaft that he thought was an Apollo. No luck there, either.
Any
help
> would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Dave
> Caliber Custom Clubs
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 19:47:46 -0400
Subject: ShopTalk: Mulligans
Anyone know where "Mulligans" came from.
Scott Fishel
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From: jhm@clubmaker-online.com
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 21:54:21 +0100
Subject: ShopTalk: Cheap clubface impact labels
According to an article in Golf Magazine, Avory Clear Laser Printer Labels
(#4151) will show where on an iron's face a ball has been struck. They cost
about $10 for a a box with 3,600 labels!! Talcum powder also works,
(according to the late Harvey Penick). How about some feedback (to
jhm@clubmaker.online.com not the shoptalk list, please) on suggestions for
improving Clubmaker Online.
Thanks,
John Muir
COL
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From: Heikki Putkonen <putko@tolsun.oulu.fi>
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:00:23 +-200
Subject: ShopTalk: Question about shaft data
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Dear fellows
I live in Finland and there are no easy way for me to get a look at the
Dynacraft
shaft data book (except buying which is too expencive for one time case).
I would like to know what is in this book about the following shafts, especially
about
shaft flex and frequency. (I have golfsmith catalogue). All regular flex
True Lite (5010W) This is the new lightweight steel
TTLite
Dynamic
Dynalite
The reason is that I want to make woods 1 and 3 a little longer for driving
with light shaft
and still have the flex, bend-pint and frequency about the same througout
the set.
I thing that there is no real need for a graphite. According my calculations
the length gain
between True Lite and Carbon stick Ultralite is only 7mm (0.279")
Thank you in advance
Heikki Putkonen
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From: Larry Dorough <ljdoro@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 07:18:10 -0500
Subject: ShopTalk: Ping Eye 2+ loft and lie
Does anyone know the factory loft and lie specs for the Ping Eye 2+
(without the +)?
I have been playing these clubs for about 10 years and I think it's time
to get them "tuned up".
Thanks,
ljdoro
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From: "Bruce L. Sublett" <bsublett@tcac.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:16:03 -0500
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Cheap clubface impact labels
jhm@clubmaker-online.com wrote:
>
> According to an article in Golf Magazine, Avory Clear Laser Printer
Labels
> (#4151) will show where on an iron's face a ball has been struck. They
cost
> about $10 for a a box with 3,600 labels!! Talcum powder also works,
> (according to the late Harvey Penick).
Harvey was right about a lot of things, but using talcum powder to see
impact point wasn't one of them. I tried it on several irons and never
got a clear print on any of them.
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:45:41 -0400
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Question about shaft data
Order "Club Assembly" from Golfworks, $15., this will have all
shaft
information.
Scott Fishel
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> From: Heikki Putkonen <putko@tolsun.oulu.fi>
> To: 'ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com'
> Subject: ShopTalk: Question about shaft data
> Date: Thursday, October 24, 1996 6:00 AM
>
> Dear fellows
>
> I live in Finland and there are no easy way for me to get a look at
the
Dynacraft
> shaft data book (except buying which is too expencive for one time
case).
>
> I would like to know what is in this book about the following shafts,
especially about
> shaft flex and frequency. (I have golfsmith catalogue). All regular
flex
>
> True Lite (5010W) This is the new lightweight steel
> TTLite
> Dynamic
> Dynalite
>
> The reason is that I want to make woods 1 and 3 a little longer for
driving with light shaft
> and still have the flex, bend-pint and frequency about the same througout
the set.
>
> I thing that there is no real need for a graphite. According my
calculations the length gain
> between True Lite and Carbon stick Ultralite is only 7mm (0.279")
>
> Thank you in advance
> Heikki Putkonen
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Phil Summers <phiglo@icenet.com.au>
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:43:32 +0800
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Cheap clubface impact labels
I have not even made my first set yet so who am I to speak?....but here
goes. In regard to the talc powder, would it work if you first srayed the
club with something like sray on cooking oil.....food for thought ( joke
).
At 12:16 PM 24/10/96 -0500, you wrote:
>jhm@clubmaker-online.com wrote:
>>
>> According to an article in Golf Magazine, Avory Clear Laser Printer
Labels
>> (#4151) will show where on an iron's face a ball has been struck.
They cost
>> about $10 for a a box with 3,600 labels!! Talcum powder also works,
>> (according to the late Harvey Penick).
>
>Harvey was right about a lot of things, but using talcum powder to see
>impact point wasn't one of them. I tried it on several irons and never
>got a clear print on any of them.
>
>
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From: A02CSM1@MVS.CSO.NIU.EDU
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 01:59 CDT
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Cheap clubface impact labels
*Precedence: bulk
*Reply-To: ShopTalk@CONCH.AA.MSEN.COM
*
*jhm@clubmaker-online.com wrote:
*>
*> According to an article in Golf Magazine, Avory Clear Laser Printer
Labels
*> (#4151) will show where on an iron's face a ball has been struck.
They cost
*> about $10 for a a box with 3,600 labels!! Talcum powder also works,
*> (according to the late Harvey Penick).
*
*Harvey was right about a lot of things, but using talcum powder to see
*impact point wasn't one of them. I tried it on several irons and never
*got a clear print on any of them.
You put the powder on the ball, not the club;-)
Carl Mc Kinley
Carl's Golf Shop
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From: "Bruce L. Sublett" <bsublett@tcac.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:38:38 -0500
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Cheap clubface impact labels
A02CSM1@MVS.CSO.NIU.EDU wrote:
>
> *Precedence: bulk
> *Reply-To: ShopTalk@CONCH.AA.MSEN.COM
> *
> *jhm@clubmaker-online.com wrote:
> *>
> *> According to an article in Golf Magazine, Avory Clear Laser Printer
Labels
> *> (#4151) will show where on an iron's face a ball has been struck.
They cost
> *> about $10 for a a box with 3,600 labels!! Talcum powder also
works,
> *> (according to the late Harvey Penick).
> *
> *Harvey was right about a lot of things, but using talcum powder to
see
> *impact point wasn't one of them. I tried it on several irons and
never
> *got a clear print on any of them.
>
> You put the powder on the ball, not the club;-)
>
> Carl Mc Kinley
> Carl's Golf Shop
Doesn't work either way.
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From: Geoff Smith <gsmith@bc.sympatico.ca>
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:54:31 -0700
Subject: ShopTalk: Torque
Can anyone tell me what the desired torque is for graphite shafts for a
player of say a 15 handicap? As you improve do you need a higher torque
number or a lower torque number? Also how does torque affect a shot?
Geoff Smith
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From: John Davis <john@hevanet.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 18:39:14 +0900
Subject: ShopTalk: Zero Center, Mad Dog Irons
Has anyone tried the Mad Dog or Zero Center Iron from Dynacraft? If so,
how
do they feel and look, what about the prices. Also, has anyone ever tried
Rapport shafts?
- -----------------------------
John Davis
john@hevanet.com
"You will find all you need in
your mind, if you take the time."
-Dream Theater
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 17:48:19 -0400
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Zero Center, Mad Dog Irons
Dont like look of Mad Dog. Not professional looking at all.
Scott f
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> From: John Davis <john@hevanet.com>
> To: ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com
> Subject: ShopTalk: Zero Center, Mad Dog Irons
> Date: Friday, October 25, 1996 5:39 AM
>
> Has anyone tried the Mad Dog or Zero Center Iron from Dynacraft? If
so,
how
> do they feel and look, what about the prices. Also, has anyone ever
tried
> Rapport shafts?
> -----------------------------
> John Davis
> john@hevanet.com
>
> "You will find all you need in
> your mind, if you take the time."
> -Dream Theater
> ------------------------------
>
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From: Chuck West <chuckw1@airmail.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 96 01:14:26 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Torque
>Can anyone tell me what the desired torque is for graphite shafts for
a
>player of say a 15 handicap? As you improve do you need a higher torque
>number or a lower torque number? Also how does torque affect a shot?
>Geoff Smith
>
Subject of much controversy. It currently seems that Torque (torsional
stiffness for those concerned with details) doesn't have as big an effect
on
the the golf shot as originally thought. Below a certain torque value, the
only effect appears to be with the feel of the club. There are some that
think shots hit fat will show a big effect from torque, but who nows. In
general, a low torque shaft makes a club that feels stiffer than it really
is. I try and make all clubs with graphite shafts with a torque rating under
4.5 deg. The low handicap golfers typically prefer torque ratings in the
3.0
to 3.5 deg range.
Hope this helps.
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From: John Payne <jcpayne@randomc.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 16:32:45 -0500
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Question about shaft data
Hello,
Here's the data on the shafts you asked about:
Frequency
True Lite R 250 S 267
TTLite R 250 S 262
Dynamic R 250 S 259
Dynalite R 256 S 265
Not sure of this is exactly what your looking for. If not feel free to email
me.
John
jcpayne@randomc.com
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From: "Hasenzahl, Chris" <hasenzahl@strasys.mdc.com>
Date: 28 Oct 1996 13:26:22 U
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Torque
Geoff,
I'm a 16 handicap and have experimented with many shafts which had various
torque values.
For my woods, I've settled on the Aldila HM-30 stiff flex, which has 3.5
deg of
torque. The HM-35 I tried with a stiff flex and 3.1 deg felt TOO stiff.
I could
hit the HM-35 well when my game was on, but when it wasn't, everything went
to
the right, as you would expect from a club that is too stiff. I found the
HM-30
to give consistently good to excellent results even if I don't have my "A"
game. I am currently playing it in a Dynacraft Copperhead 13 deg driver
at 43".
I can hit that club 220+ (carry) yards, with roll up to 275 yards. I'm planning
on using the same combination of components, but at a 10.5 deg loft and
a 45"
length.
I think torque is like flex - you have to find one that suits your game.
With
all of the different shafts, it is double duty to discover the right
combination of flex and torque and bendpoint.
Chris in Dove Canyon, CA
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com on Fri, Oct 25, 1996 8:09 PM
Subject: ShopTalk: Torque
To: shoptalk@conch.aa.msen.com
Can anyone tell me what the desired torque is for graphite shafts for a
player of say a 15 handicap? As you improve do you need a higher torque
number or a lower torque number? Also how does torque affect a shot?
Geoff Smith
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From: Alan Cooper <naha@4884.LOL.li>
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 13:44:57 +0100
Subject: ShopTalk: (no subject)
Hello,
Since I live abroad and don't have access to the Golfsmith toll free
number, maybe someone here can help. Are the Tour Model II and IV
identical iron heads (except for the camber) or are there other
differences, such as offset for example. Thanks.
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From: mpace@juno.com (Morgan W Pace)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 08:45:16 PST
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Golfsmith Tour Model II & IV Iron heads
Alan -- Here is the description of each as printed in the golfsmith
catalog;
Tour Model II
"Perimeter-weighted, moderately offset, true cavity back design provides
exceptionally forgiving playability and maximum distance."
Tour Model IV
"Classic cavity-back with dramatic camber and roll to the sole,
providing the player with solid impact from a variety of lies. Slightly
offset, perimeter weighted and available in several popular options:
V-grooves or square grooves; right or left hand; standard or graphite
weighted." (Tour Model IV)
The lofts and lies appear to be identical. Both club heads are somewhat
smaller than most currently popular heads but between the two I prefer
the IV.
Good luck -- mpace
On Tue, 29 Oct 1996 13:44:57 +0100 Alan Cooper <naha@4884.LOL.li>
writes:
>Hello,
>Since I live abroad and don't have access to the Golfsmith toll free
>number, maybe someone here can help. Are the Tour Model II and IV
>identical iron heads (except for the camber) or are there other
>differences, such as offset for example. Thanks.
>
>
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From: TStineman@aol.com
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 09:13:15 -0500
Subject: ShopTalk: Irons with Extreme Lies
I am looking for a supplier of iron heads with lies that are 4-5 degrees
from
Standard. Have someone I am working with that is tall and is currently
2
inches over Standard who still needs a lie adjustment of 4 degrees upright.
Can't go any longer on length due to Swingweight, and of course normal
suppliers of investment cast heads will only recommend 2 degree lie changes.
Anyone familiar with a supplier of something different than Standard or
+- 2
degrees..?
I thought I saw a 5 degree upright iron from a company called Golf Dynamics.
Does anyone know of such a company and have an address
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