shoptalk-digest Tuesday, 5 November 1996 Volume 01 : Number
023
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From: SmartGolf@C9.COM
Date: 3 Nov 1996 20:00:56 EDT
Subject: ShopTalk: need to find a club
you might try turin golf at 1-800-428-6864 for the bomber
or try golfco at 1-800-500-2651
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 21:24:31 -0500
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Winter Golg Gloves
Tom
Sorry, I am from Long Island, New York
Scott Fishel
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> From: Tom T <tom@in.net>
> To: ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com
> Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Winter Golg Gloves
> Date: Sunday, November 03, 1996 5:03 PM
>
> Try GolfWorks item Q1039 Cold Weather Golf Gloves. They come in four
sizes
> and runs $11.95 a pair. (800-848-8358)
> It sounds like you are from the MidWest also. We played Saturday morning
> and it was cold here too. The wind chill was about 8 above.
> A member of our foursome had a head cover on his right hand to keep
it
> warm. (I wouldn't recommend it, it looks kind of silly)
>
> Tom T
>
> ----------
> > From: Scott <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
> > To: Shop Talk <shoptalk@conch.aa.msen.com>
> > Subject: ShopTalk: Winter Golg Gloves
> > Date: Sunday, November 03, 1996 12:33 PM
> >
> > Hi All
> > Just got off the golf course. It was 34 degrees outside. I am
a righty.
> > Could not feel right hand after 3 holes. Too cold. This gave me
a
problem
> > putting. Shot a 54 for 9 holes.
> > Any reccomendations for winter golf gloves, both hands. It is
important
> to
> > have free movement in the gloves, no restrictions.
> > Thanks,
> > Scott Fishel
> >
> >
> >
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From: John Davis <john@hevanet.com>
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 21:04:21 +0800
Subject: ShopTalk: Fenwick, Grafalloy, and True Temper
Right now I am deciding what shafts to put on a new set of those newly
component released Palmer PHD iron heads. I am very interested in the
Sensicore and Rocket models by True Temper, has anyone tried them. Also,
if
you know what kind of Apollo shafts are used on the comecial version it
would be helpful. Now a different subject. I am thinking of building a
driver using the Dynacraft 245cc aluminum alloy model 545 head and either
a
Fenwick "The Best" shaft, or a Grafalloy ProLite shaft on it,
has anyone
tried any of those components? Thanks a ton in advance!
- -----------------------------
John Davis
john@hevanet.com
"You will find all you need in
your mind, if you take the time."
-Dream Theater
- ------------------------------
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From: Bill Apao <bill@adap.adp.state.vt.us>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 08:51:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: ShopTalk: Shaft quality control
Shoptalk:
After tipping several graphite shafts (Leyland 2.8) from CSG, I
noticed that on some the wall thickness of the shaft at the tip end
was slightly uneven. In other words, the hole wasn't centered in
the exact center of the shaft, resulting in a variation in the wall
thickness of up to 1/64".
I presume most shafts are slightly nonconcentric. But how much is
acceptable? At what point does it affect playability? Any thoughts
on this?
Bill
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From: "MART DE REP" <MARDER16@labadm.usherb.ca>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:23:25 EST
Subject: ShopTalk: Bomber Driver Head ...
Hi,
I would like to know your appreciations concerning the Bomber Driver
Head (Bronze) ??? What type of shaft is subject to give the best
results using that particular head ?
Thanks,
Mart.
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From: Sam Penfield <penfield@arscorp.com>
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 14:38:21 -0500
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Winter Golg Gloves
Scott wrote:
>
> Hi All
> Just got off the golf course. It was 34 degrees outside. I am a righty.
> Could not feel right hand after 3 holes. Too cold. This gave me a problem
> putting. Shot a 54 for 9 holes.
> Any reccomendations for winter golf gloves, both hands. It is important
to
> have free movement in the gloves, no restrictions.
> Thanks,
> Scott Fishel
Scott,
I don't know of any gloves per say but I do know of a excellent product
that
is manufactured by a company in North Carolina called Stay Warm. They
developed
a combination golf cover hand warmer which is designed specifically for
cold
weather golf. They can be reached at 919-493-6849. I recommend you
call them.
FYI....Sam
- --
Sam Penfield | Phone: +1.919.781.7997
Senior Member Technical Staff | Fax: +1.919.781.4414
Applied Reasoning Systems | Email: penfield@arscorp.com
2840 Plaza Place, Suite 325 |
Raleigh, NC 27612 USA | http://www.arscorp.com
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From: Brynj2@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:25:13 -0500
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Shaft quality control
Bill,
In response to your graphite shaft question, these shafts are made
by
layering several "wraps" of graphite sheeting to form the cylinder
or
"shaft". As you can imagine, unless each wrap's starting point
is perfectly
spaced this process can easily lead to poor uniformity of thickness hence,
poor quality control. Filament wound shafts are much more uniform because
of
the controlled process by which they are made - by machine winding of
graphite fibers. I hope this answers your question.
Dave.
Caliber Custom Clubs
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From: Brynj2@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:39:04 -0500
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Shaft quality control
Bill,
Part 2 of my answer to your question about Graphite shafts. The effect
on playability of a non-uniform shaft is great. If the thickness of one
side
of the shaft is different from the other side so too is the flex. If you
are
building a set you will end up with varying degrees of flex throughout.
Very
undesirable.
Steel shafts are formed by drawing a tube through several dyes until
the
desired thickness is achieved. Wall thickness remains constant throughout.
Therefore you retain the highest of quality control. Good golfing!
Dave.
Caliber Custom Clubs
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 19:59:44 -0500
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Winter Golg Gloves
Thanks Sam !
Scott Fishel
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> From: Sam Penfield <penfield@arscorp.com>
> To: ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com
> Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Winter Golg Gloves
> Date: Monday, November 04, 1996 2:38 PM
>
> Scott wrote:
> >
> > Hi All
> > Just got off the golf course. It was 34 degrees outside. I am
a righty.
> > Could not feel right hand after 3 holes. Too cold. This gave me
a
problem
> > putting. Shot a 54 for 9 holes.
> > Any reccomendations for winter golf gloves, both hands. It is
important
to
> > have free movement in the gloves, no restrictions.
> > Thanks,
> > Scott Fishel
>
> Scott,
>
> I don't know of any gloves per say but I do know of a excellent product
> that
> is manufactured by a company in North Carolina called Stay Warm. They
> developed
> a combination golf cover hand warmer which is designed specifically
for
> cold
> weather golf. They can be reached at 919-493-6849. I recommend you
> call them.
>
> FYI....Sam
>
> --
> Sam Penfield | Phone: +1.919.781.7997
> Senior Member Technical Staff | Fax: +1.919.781.4414
> Applied Reasoning Systems | Email: penfield@arscorp.com
> 2840 Plaza Place, Suite 325 |
> Raleigh, NC 27612 USA | http://www.arscorp.com
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 19:54:32 -0500
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Shaft quality control
Stick with Aldila, Graffaloy or harrison for composite shafts. Leyland ,
a
little less quality control.
Scott F
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> From: Bill Apao <bill@adap.adp.state.vt.us>
> To: ShopTalk <ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com>
> Subject: ShopTalk: Shaft quality control
> Date: Monday, November 04, 1996 8:51 AM
>
> Shoptalk:
>
> After tipping several graphite shafts (Leyland 2.8) from CSG, I
> noticed that on some the wall thickness of the shaft at the tip end
> was slightly uneven. In other words, the hole wasn't centered in
> the exact center of the shaft, resulting in a variation in the wall
> thickness of up to 1/64".
>
> I presume most shafts are slightly nonconcentric. But how much is
> acceptable? At what point does it affect playability? Any thoughts
> on this?
>
> Bill
>
>
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 19:58:02 -0500
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Bomber Driver Head ...
Try The K-1 pop shaft, bubble or bulge its the same
Scott f
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> From: MART DE REP <MARDER16@labadm.usherb.ca>
> To: ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com
> Subject: ShopTalk: Bomber Driver Head ...
> Date: Monday, November 04, 1996 1:23 PM
>
> Hi,
>
> I would like to know your appreciations concerning the Bomber Driver
> Head (Bronze) ??? What type of shaft is subject to give the best
> results using that particular head ?
>
> Thanks,
> Mart.
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 19:54:59 -0500
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Shaft quality control
CSG good supplier of heads Though
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> From: Bill Apao <bill@adap.adp.state.vt.us>
> To: ShopTalk <ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com>
> Subject: ShopTalk: Shaft quality control
> Date: Monday, November 04, 1996 8:51 AM
>
> Shoptalk:
>
> After tipping several graphite shafts (Leyland 2.8) from CSG, I
> noticed that on some the wall thickness of the shaft at the tip end
> was slightly uneven. In other words, the hole wasn't centered in
> the exact center of the shaft, resulting in a variation in the wall
> thickness of up to 1/64".
>
> I presume most shafts are slightly nonconcentric. But how much is
> acceptable? At what point does it affect playability? Any thoughts
> on this?
>
> Bill
>
>
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 20:02:34 -0500
Subject: ShopTalk: In Search of new shaft
Any ideas on suppliers for the new shaft that comes on the Cobra II irons.
The ones with the bubble down at the tip ?
Scott Fishel
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 19:53:03 -0500
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Fenwick, Grafalloy, and True Temper
Where can you buy / order the PHD heads ? National Components, supplier
of
Palmer heads did not have them in their catalog.
Scott Fishel
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> From: John Davis <john@hevanet.com>
> To: ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com
> Subject: ShopTalk: Fenwick, Grafalloy, and True Temper
> Date: Sunday, November 03, 1996 8:04 AM
>
> Right now I am deciding what shafts to put on a new set of those newly
> component released Palmer PHD iron heads. I am very interested in
the
> Sensicore and Rocket models by True Temper, has anyone tried them.
Also,
if
> you know what kind of Apollo shafts are used on the comecial version
it
> would be helpful. Now a different subject. I am thinking of building
a
> driver using the Dynacraft 245cc aluminum alloy model 545 head and
either
a
> Fenwick "The Best" shaft, or a Grafalloy ProLite shaft on
it, has anyone
> tried any of those components? Thanks a ton in advance!
> -----------------------------
> John Davis
> john@hevanet.com
>
> "You will find all you need in
> your mind, if you take the time."
> -Dream Theater
> ------------------------------
>
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From: djmiller@wolf.co.net (Daniel J. Miller)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 22:24:18 -0600
Subject: ShopTalk: Raven Stealth II Driver with Ultralite Shaft
Has anyone tried the Raven Stealth II Driver with the Raven Stealth
Technology Ultralite shaft? How about with the Grafalloy Pro-Lite shaft?
Does anyone have enough info on the Raven Ultralite shaft to be able to
compare it to the Pro-Lite? The Raven catalog has very little detail.
(I
also have a customer that is very happy with the Golfsmith Carbonstick
Ultralite shaft. Anybody have any comments on this shaft?)
I'm trying to come up with a reasonably priced combination that will
resemble the performance of the Golfsmith Ti260 with the Pro-Lite shaft.
I've had a great deal of positive feedback from this combination. I'd like
to assemble one for myself, but I'm a lefty and the Ti260 isn't available
in
left-handed. (I'm also not convinced that the Titanium is really necessary,
considering the price!) As a result, I think the Raven Stealth II head
with
a decent ultralite shaft may be a very good performer.
I've never tried Raven, but because of the many comments from our Shoptalk
participants, I recently sent for and received a Raven Catalog.
I've been assembling clubs for about 4 years. I've used mostly Golfsmith
components. Also some Dynacraft, Golfworks, and UT Golf.
Thanks!
Dan
djm
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:05:05 -0500
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Raven Stealth II Driver with Ultralite Shaft
Dan
Any suppliers for new Cobra II shaft with bubble tip ?
Scott Fishel
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> From: Daniel J. Miller <djmiller@wolf.co.net>
> To: shoptalk@conch.aa.msen.com
> Subject: ShopTalk: Raven Stealth II Driver with Ultralite Shaft
> Date: Monday, November 04, 1996 11:24 PM
>
> Has anyone tried the Raven Stealth II Driver with the Raven Stealth
> Technology Ultralite shaft? How about with the Grafalloy Pro-Lite
shaft?
>
> Does anyone have enough info on the Raven Ultralite shaft to be able
to
> compare it to the Pro-Lite? The Raven catalog has very little detail.
(I
> also have a customer that is very happy with the Golfsmith Carbonstick
> Ultralite shaft. Anybody have any comments on this shaft?)
>
> I'm trying to come up with a reasonably priced combination that will
> resemble the performance of the Golfsmith Ti260 with the Pro-Lite shaft.
> I've had a great deal of positive feedback from this combination.
I'd
like
> to assemble one for myself, but I'm a lefty and the Ti260 isn't available
in
> left-handed. (I'm also not convinced that the Titanium is really
necessary,
> considering the price!) As a result, I think the Raven Stealth II
head
with
> a decent ultralite shaft may be a very good performer.
>
> I've never tried Raven, but because of the many comments from our
Shoptalk
> participants, I recently sent for and received a Raven Catalog.
>
> I've been assembling clubs for about 4 years. I've used mostly Golfsmith
> components. Also some Dynacraft, Golfworks, and UT Golf.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan
>
> djm
>
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 23:04:14 -0500
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Raven Stealth II Driver with Ultralite Shaft
Dan:
Just started using Raven, very satisfied with their service.
They have e-mail for any questions and respond next day.
Still like trying to get into originals with Club maker-online Harvey
Penick Clubs.
John, of Club maker-online answers e-mail within 24 hours, usaually same
night.
Scott Fishel
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> From: Daniel J. Miller <djmiller@wolf.co.net>
> To: shoptalk@conch.aa.msen.com
> Subject: ShopTalk: Raven Stealth II Driver with Ultralite Shaft
> Date: Monday, November 04, 1996 11:24 PM
>
> Has anyone tried the Raven Stealth II Driver with the Raven Stealth
> Technology Ultralite shaft? How about with the Grafalloy Pro-Lite
shaft?
>
> Does anyone have enough info on the Raven Ultralite shaft to be able
to
> compare it to the Pro-Lite? The Raven catalog has very little detail.
(I
> also have a customer that is very happy with the Golfsmith Carbonstick
> Ultralite shaft. Anybody have any comments on this shaft?)
>
> I'm trying to come up with a reasonably priced combination that will
> resemble the performance of the Golfsmith Ti260 with the Pro-Lite shaft.
> I've had a great deal of positive feedback from this combination.
I'd
like
> to assemble one for myself, but I'm a lefty and the Ti260 isn't available
in
> left-handed. (I'm also not convinced that the Titanium is really
necessary,
> considering the price!) As a result, I think the Raven Stealth II
head
with
> a decent ultralite shaft may be a very good performer.
>
> I've never tried Raven, but because of the many comments from our
Shoptalk
> participants, I recently sent for and received a Raven Catalog.
>
> I've been assembling clubs for about 4 years. I've used mostly Golfsmith
> components. Also some Dynacraft, Golfworks, and UT Golf.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan
>
> djm
>
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From: Tedd Childers <Tedd_Childers@ncsu.edu>
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 96 09:12:56 EST
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Raven Stealth II Driver with Ultralite Shaft
At 10:24 PM 11/4/96 -0600, you wrote:
>Has anyone tried the Raven Stealth II Driver with the Raven Stealth
>Technology Ultralite shaft? How about with the Grafalloy Pro-Lite shaft?
>
>Does anyone have enough info on the Raven Ultralite shaft to be able
to
>compare it to the Pro-Lite? The Raven catalog has very little detail.
(I
>also have a customer that is very happy with the Golfsmith Carbonstick
>Ultralite shaft. Anybody have any comments on this shaft?)
>
>I'm trying to come up with a reasonably priced combination that will
>resemble the performance of the Golfsmith Ti260 with the Pro-Lite shaft.
>I've had a great deal of positive feedback from this combination. I'd
like
>to assemble one for myself, but I'm a lefty and the Ti260 isn't available
in
>left-handed. (I'm also not convinced that the Titanium is really necessary,
>considering the price!) As a result, I think the Raven Stealth II head
with
>a decent ultralite shaft may be a very good performer.
>
>I've never tried Raven, but because of the many comments from our Shoptalk
>participants, I recently sent for and received a Raven Catalog.
>
>I've been assembling clubs for about 4 years. I've used mostly Golfsmith
>components. Also some Dynacraft, Golfworks, and UT Golf.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Dan
>
>djm
>
>
>Dan,
I have used both the Stealth II Supersize head and the Raven TM95 Supersize
head from Raven Golf and have been happy with the performance. The Raven
TM95 SS head is hollow while the Stealth II SS has some foam filling. The
main difference is the sound and feel at impact, but both are very solid
performers. I built my clubs with the Easton aluminum shafts at 44".
I am
currently waiting on a Stealth titanium faced driver (250cc) head which
I am
going to build with the Raven Ultralite shaft. I talked to Paul Nickles
at
Raven, and he told me that the Stealth Ultralite shaft has a torque of
approx. 4.0 and that they could only get about 265-270 cpm stiffness at
44.5-45.0" playing lengths. Just for reference, Paul tested a GBB
with a
firm shaft and it had a frequency of 258cpm on their scale. This would
indicate that the Stealth Ultralite can be made stiffer than a firm GBB.
You should talk to Paul Nickles when you call Raven, as he has a lot of
info
on shafts. As I understand it, the stiffness of graphite shafts is really
dependent upon the torque and frequency. Paul has done some testing and
found that a reduction in torque of 1.0 unit (3.0 verses 4.0) will make
the
shaft play 10cpm stiffer (which equals 1 flex range). Paul also highly
recommended the Stealth titanium faced driver, which he feels has a very
solid feel at impact. The insert is made of pure forged, not cast,
titanium. The GBB, Cobra, Taylor Made, etc... heads are cast titanium.
The
forged titanium is softer, just like forged steel is softer than cast steel
heads. The only pure forged titanium head is the RAM driver at a cool
$1000.00 each. The Stealth Ti faced head is more expensive ($54), but still
much less than pure cast titanium.
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From: cgdick <cgdick@freenet.calgary.ab.ca>
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 07:01:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: ShopTalk: Blowing Grips
I've been blowing grips with an air compressor for a few years. Big, high
pressure compreesors had a lot of explosions, ruining the grip.
I bought an auto model that did the job, but inconvenient taking
everything out to the garage, especially in the cold.
I finally found the perfect machine, the Home Service Station, a 120V,
150PSI machine that works like a dream. On-off switch, long power cord,
long presure hose, and pressure gauge.
The box is labelled PREMIER POWER PRODUCTS, and it was Imported by "KMC
8925 Torbam Road, Brampton, ON, L6T 4G1. I found mine at K-MART for about
$22. Canadian. It was made in Taiwan.
It sure beats those hand-pumped needle-in-the-grip abortions!
Colin
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From: Beverley or Jorgen Ormstrup <digit@sk.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 14:37:56 -0600
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Blowing Grips
cgdick wrote:
>
> I've been blowing grips with an air compressor for a few years. Big,
high
> pressure compreesors had a lot of explosions, ruining the grip.
>etc.
Hi:
I am fairly new to clubmking, so please excuse what I don't know.
I have tied a few of times to use compressed air to do the job, but I
must be missing part of the equasion... A couple came off very nicely,
but another blew up with not even a hint that it was close to working
properly (it was a putter grip).
My question is: are we supposed to put solvent into the grip before we
put in air? I have used a tube arround the grip, and it does help
reduce explosions, but I need at least one more hand to hold everything
in place...
I have had fairly good luck with the needle and solvent trick, but I
hate it.
Thanks,
Jorgen Ormstrup
digit@sk.sympatico.ca
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From: John Payne <jcpayne@randomc.com>
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 18:45:36 -0500
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Need to find a club
John
Try Lauden Golf 800-456-7095. They may not have what your looking for but
may be able to help you find it.
John
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From: "Stephen C. Reynolds" <sreynol1@flash.net>
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 18:20:47 -0600
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Blowing Grips
Beverley or Jorgen Ormstrup wrote:
>
> cgdick wrote:
> >
> > I've been blowing grips with an air compressor for a few years.
Big, high
> > pressure compreesors had a lot of explosions, ruining the grip.
> >etc.
>
> Hi:
>
> I am fairly new to clubmking, so please excuse what I don't know.
>
> I have tied a few of times to use compressed air to do the job, but
I
> must be missing part of the equasion... A couple came off very nicely,
> but another blew up with not even a hint that it was close to working
> properly (it was a putter grip).
>
> My question is: are we supposed to put solvent into the grip before
we
> put in air? I have used a tube arround the grip, and it does help
> reduce explosions, but I need at least one more hand to hold everything
> in place...
>
> I have had fairly good luck with the needle and solvent trick, but
I
> hate it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jorgen Ormstrup
>
> digit@sk.sympatico.ca
Jorgen,
I have used a plastic tube section cut from a golf bag tube, a little
longer than a grip. I also wrap the outside with gray duct tape for
extra strength. Slide the tube over the grip prior to using the air and
in most casses this will stop the grip from blowing up in your face.
I have found that cords and 1/2 cords or badly worn grips usually won't
blow off in very good shape.
Good luck,
Steve
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