shoptalk-digest Friday, 27 September 1996 Volume 01 : Number 015


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From: mpace@juno.com (Morgan W Pace)
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:42:48 PST
Subject: ShopTalk: Source for large graphite/composite driver head

CSG golf of Spokane used to sell a large graphite "Acer " driver head
but they have apparently discontinued them. I would appreciate any
suggestions to locate a source for the Acer graphite heads or anything
similar approximately 230cc or larger.

Thanks -- mpace

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From: sam@niagara.com
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 19:04:31 -0400
Subject: ShopTalk: looking for suppliers

can anyone tell me how to get ahold of the following companies.
either by e-mail/snail mail/telephone or if the have a web site.

alabama golf supply

csg

thank you in advance for your help.

mike
sam@niagara.com


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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 19:32:06 -0400
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: looking for suppliers

CSG:18005975241
please send me Alabamas' number when you find it.
Scott golfscot@netcom.industry.net

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> From: sam@niagara.com
> To: shoptalk@conch.aa.msen.com
> Subject: ShopTalk: looking for suppliers
> Date: Thursday, September 26, 1996 7:04 PM
>
> can anyone tell me how to get ahold of the following companies.
> either by e-mail/snail mail/telephone or if the have a web site.
>
> alabama golf supply
>
> csg
>
> thank you in advance for your help.
>
> mike
> sam@niagara.com
>

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From: jhm@clubmaker-online.com
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:07:00 +0100
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Source for large graphite/composite driver head

Heritage Golf 800-342-5059 has carried these in the past. I know they have
a jumbo graphite head (948C, 255 cc's) but I haven't hit one of these.
John Muir
Clubmaker Online
>CSG golf of Spokane used to sell a large graphite "Acer " driver head
>but they have apparently discontinued them. I would appreciate any
>suggestions to locate a source for the Acer graphite heads or anything
>similar approximately 230cc or larger.
>
>Thanks -- mpace

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From: Edwin Ray <eray@ais.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:10:36 +0000
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Penick: Master or Classic

Scott wrote:
>
> Please recommend which head should be used by some one playing 1 year
> averaging 112 for 18 holes.
> Harvey Penick: Master or Classic irons.
> TT Lite "R' Shatfs
> Scott Fishel

Penick Masters are a cavity back for us amateurs.
The Classic is 1/2 cavity 1/2 blade for the better player.
If you can afford it I would recommend the Penick graphite shafts.
You will have one great club.
Actually for less than a dollar a shaft you can get Penick steel which
is made for those heads.

Skip Ray - RCC Golf

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From: Edwin Ray <eray@ais.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:12:34 +0000
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Penick: Master or Classic

Tedd Childers wrote:
>
> >Please recommend which head should be used by some one playing 1 year
> >averaging 112 for 18 holes.
> > Harvey Penick: Master or Classic irons.
> > TT Lite "R' Shatfs
> >Scott Fishel
> >
>
> I personally think the Penick line of components is overpriced. Check out
> the Raven Golf components at 1-800-236-4566 or on the net. Just type Raven
> golf in the search field on Yahoo and you will bet there.

You get what you pay for.!

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From: miko <miko@julian.uwo.ca>
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 22:21:54 -0400
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Source for large graphite/composite driver head

Morgan W Pace wrote:
>
> CSG golf of Spokane used to sell a large graphite "Acer " driver head
> but they have apparently discontinued them. I would appreciate any
> suggestions to locate a source for the Acer graphite heads or anything
> similar approximately 230cc or larger.

Hireko, 1-800-367-8912, used to carry the same head, as well as a
few other composite heads.

GolfSmith has the 747, and the FibreStar...

Sportek, 1-800-234-GOLF, also had the ACER, and a few others...


Good Luck!

- --
| |

db miko
Mac Shack Golf
PCS-Class A Clubmaker
London, Ontario, CANADA

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From: TRGuenther@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 22:41:03 -0400
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Source for large graphite/composite driver head

In a message dated 96-09-26 13:20:55 EDT, you write:

<< Subj: ShopTalk: Source for large graphite/composite driver head
Date: 96-09-26 13:20:55 EDT
From: mpace@juno.com (Morgan W Pace)
Sender: owner-shoptalk@conch.aa.msen.com
Reply-to: ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com
To: ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com

CSG golf of Spokane used to sell a large graphite "Acer " driver head
but they have apparently discontinued them. I would appreciate any
suggestions to locate a source for the Acer graphite heads or anything
similar approximately 230cc or larger.

Thanks -- mpace >>

Call Hireko at 1-800-367-8912. They have the Acers (and low prices).

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From: clubmake@ite.net (Ted Jr. Vida)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:02:10 -0700
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Source for large graphite/composite driver head

Morgan W Pace wrote:
>
> CSG golf of Spokane used to sell a large graphite "Acer " driver head
> but they have apparently discontinued them. I would appreciate any
> suggestions to locate a source for the Acer graphite heads or anything
> similar approximately 230cc or larger.
>
> Thanks -- mpace

Golfsmith carries the Fiberstar composite driver head....
Loft/10.5 Lie/55 Weight/200g Volume/265cc
Bulge/10" Roll/10" Face Ht/48mm Square face angle

They also have the Turbo Power (kevlar) driver head....
Loft/10.5 Lie/53 Weight/210g Volume/295cc
Bulge/10" Roll/10" Face ht/42mm Square face angles
This head also comes in 3W and 5W.

I haven't tried either but am thinking of putting together the Fiberstar
and still contemplating which shaft to use.

Ted Vida, Jr. (Guam)
clubmake@ite.net

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From: A02CSM1@MVS.CSO.NIU.EDU
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 01:54 CDT
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Source for large graphite/composite driver head

*From: mpace@JUNO.COM(Morgan W Pace)
*Sender: owner-shoptalk@CONCH.AA.MSEN.COM
*Precedence: bulk
*Reply-To: ShopTalk@CONCH.AA.MSEN.COM
*
*CSG golf of Spokane used to sell a large graphite "Acer " driver head
*but they have apparently discontinued them. I would appreciate any
*suggestions to locate a source for the Acer graphite heads or anything
*similar approximately 230cc or larger.
*

If its the one I remember the FiberStar from Golfsmith is similar.
Hieroko also used to handle the Acer line.


*Thanks -- mpace

Carl Mc Kinley
Carl's Golf Shop

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From: tedd_childers@ncsu.edu (Tedd Childers)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 08:30:39 EDT
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Penick: Master or Classic

>Tedd Childers wrote:
>>
>> >Please recommend which head should be used by some one playing 1 year
>> >averaging 112 for 18 holes.
>> > Harvey Penick: Master or Classic irons.
>> > TT Lite "R' Shatfs
>> >Scott Fishel
>> >
>>
>> I personally think the Penick line of components is overpriced. Check out
>> the Raven Golf components at 1-800-236-4566 or on the net. Just type Raven
>> golf in the search field on Yahoo and you will bet there.
>
>
> You get what you pay for.!
>
>Are you trying to say that the Penick line of clubheads are better than
other Golfsmith components? Golfsmith makes the Penick line, and the
tolerances are no tighter than their other components. What you are paying
for is the "Penick" name, which Golfsmith hopes will let these clubs be
associated with other name brands. Their catalogs say as much. I have
personally used heads from both Golfsmith and Raven, and the Raven heads are
as good or better than any Golfsmith products, and they are better looking
to boot. My biggest problem with Golfsmith is their policy of gouging
customers who are not clubmakers. Two cases in point are the SIMS shock
absorbing inserts and the Penick club line. The SIMS are $15.95 for a pack
of 3 if ordered out of their component catalog, but $19.95 if ordered out of
their retail catalog. Whats up with that? Also, the Penick heads are about
$15 each, the steel shafts are about $5, and the grips about $2. This gives
a per club price of about $22-$25 per club. A set of 3-PW would cost
$200-250 to build with shipping and supplies. These clubs sell for $580.00
in steel in the retail catalog. This is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS, as they do
not even frequency match or custom fit these clubs for you. If this company
is trying to convince customers that component clubs are as good as name
brands then why are they trying to sell their own name brand (Penick) which
is no better than any other non-fitted club and as expensive. The heads and
shafts are ABSOLUTELY NOT any better than their other products, and in some
cases not as good. The Brunswick shaft is definetely better than the Penick
steel, and their are better graphite shafts as well. I would be very
interested what other clubmakers think of these comments and Golfsmith's
policies regarding pricing.

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From: mpace@juno.com (Morgan W Pace)
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 07:30:48 PST
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: looking for suppliers

On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 19:04:31 -0400 sam@niagara.com writes:
>can anyone tell me how to get ahold of the following companies.
>either by e-mail/snail mail/telephone or if the have a web site.
>
>alabama golf supply
>
>csg
>
>thank you in advance for your help.
>
>mike
>sam@niagara.com
>
>
Mike --
C S G's address is 116 East Nora Spokane, WA. 99207, Their phone is 800
597-5241

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From: "Ralph Harwood" <Ralph_Harwood@mail.ehnr.state.nc.us>
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 09:15:13 EST
Subject: Re[2]: ShopTalk: Penick: Master or Classic

Tedd,

See if you can find a copy of Golfsmith Clubmaker, its technical
report, the July/August 1996 copy. The first article in it is by the
editor Scott Redding titled "The Golfsmith Store - a marketing tool".

I am not in agreement with some of his statements. He makes the
assumption that customers only look at their retail catalog and not
their components catalog. But they do advertise the fact that anybody
can get their component catalog. If they do their calculations like
you did, they would see discrepencies also.

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Penick: Master or Classic
Author: ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com at Internet
Date: 9/27/96 8:30 AM


>Tedd Childers wrote:
>>
>> >Please recommend which head should be used by some one playing 1 year
>> >averaging 112 for 18 holes.
>> > Harvey Penick: Master or Classic irons.
>> > TT Lite "R' Shatfs
>> >Scott Fishel
>> >
>>
>> I personally think the Penick line of components is overpriced. Check out
>> the Raven Golf components at 1-800-236-4566 or on the net. Just type Raven
>> golf in the search field on Yahoo and you will bet there.
>
>
> You get what you pay for.!
>
>Are you trying to say that the Penick line of clubheads are better than
other Golfsmith components? Golfsmith makes the Penick line, and the
tolerances are no tighter than their other components. What you are paying
for is the "Penick" name, which Golfsmith hopes will let these clubs be
associated with other name brands. Their catalogs say as much. I have
personally used heads from both Golfsmith and Raven, and the Raven heads are
as good or better than any Golfsmith products, and they are better looking
to boot. My biggest problem with Golfsmith is their policy of gouging
customers who are not clubmakers. Two cases in point are the SIMS shock
absorbing inserts and the Penick club line. The SIMS are $15.95 for a pack
of 3 if ordered out of their component catalog, but $19.95 if ordered out of
their retail catalog. Whats up with that? Also, the Penick heads are about
$15 each, the steel shafts are about $5, and the grips about $2. This gives
a per club price of about $22-$25 per club. A set of 3-PW would cost
$200-250 to build with shipping and supplies. These clubs sell for $580.00
in steel in the retail catalog. This is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS, as they do
not even frequency match or custom fit these clubs for you. If this company
is trying to convince customers that component clubs are as good as name
brands then why are they trying to sell their own name brand (Penick) which
is no better than any other non-fitted club and as expensive. The heads and
shafts are ABSOLUTELY NOT any better than their other products, and in some
cases not as good. The Brunswick shaft is definetely better than the Penick
steel, and their are better graphite shafts as well. I would be very
interested what other clubmakers think of these comments and Golfsmith's
policies regarding pricing.



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From: "Maury Hammel (7293)" <Maury.Hammel@usask.ca>
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 08:47:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Penick: Master or Classic

>>Tedd Childers wrote:
>>>
>>> >Please recommend which head should be used by some one playing 1 year
>>> >averaging 112 for 18 holes.
>>> > Harvey Penick: Master or Classic irons.
>>> > TT Lite "R' Shatfs
>>> >Scott Fishel
>>> >
>>>
>>> I personally think the Penick line of components is overpriced. Check
>>>out
>>> the Raven Golf components at 1-800-236-4566 or on the net. Just type
>>>Raven
>>> golf in the search field on Yahoo and you will bet there.
>>
>>
>> You get what you pay for.!
>>
>>Are you trying to say that the Penick line of clubheads are better than
>other Golfsmith components? Golfsmith makes the Penick line, and the
>tolerances are no tighter than their other components. What you are paying
>for is the "Penick" name, which Golfsmith hopes will let these clubs be
>associated with other name brands. Their catalogs say as much. I have
>personally used heads from both Golfsmith and Raven, and the Raven heads
>are
>as good or better than any Golfsmith products, and they are better looking
>to boot. My biggest problem with Golfsmith is their policy of gouging
>customers who are not clubmakers. Two cases in point are the SIMS shock
>absorbing inserts and the Penick club line. The SIMS are $15.95 for a pack
>of 3 if ordered out of their component catalog, but $19.95 if ordered out
>of
>their retail catalog. Whats up with that? Also, the Penick heads are
>about
>$15 each, the steel shafts are about $5, and the grips about $2. This
>gives
>a per club price of about $22-$25 per club. A set of 3-PW would cost
>$200-250 to build with shipping and supplies. These clubs sell for $580.00
>in steel in the retail catalog. This is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS, as they do
>not even frequency match or custom fit these clubs for you. If this
>company
>is trying to convince customers that component clubs are as good as name
>brands then why are they trying to sell their own name brand (Penick) which
>is no better than any other non-fitted club and as expensive. The heads
>and
>shafts are ABSOLUTELY NOT any better than their other products, and in some
>cases not as good. The Brunswick shaft is definetely better than the
>Penick
>steel, and their are better graphite shafts as well. I would be very
>interested what other clubmakers think of these comments and Golfsmith's
>policies regarding pricing.

I agree that you shouldn't pay any more than a "fair" price for any product,
but companies like Callaway and the Taylor Made have set the standard for
the cost of "premium" clubs. Callaway has shown that a large number of
people are willing to pay big bucks for an off-the rack club (Has anyone
done a study to see if there is an inverse relationship between the amount
of money you blow on "toys" and your IQ ;-). Although I don't necessarilly
agree with it, I think I can see the "logic" that Golfsmith is using to set
the retail price where it is. If you want your product to be considered an
option by the people that are willing to pay for Callaway clubs, you have to
price the product accordingly.

As a (somewhat extreme) counter-example: If you're in the market for a new
car, and you're willing to pay for a Rolls-Royce, would you consider a Ford
Tempo because it's 1/10th the price? Not likely. Yes, Ford isn't going to
sell a lot of Tempos to the Rolls-Royce crowd by upping the price. However,
if Ford thought that the Tempo was in the same quality range of the
Rolls-Royce, why would they sell it any cheaper than a Rolls-Royce?

Here's my take at it. Golfsmith thinks their product is just as good as the
Callaway stuff, and they want to get in on some of the cash that is flowing
Callaway's way (who wouldn't?). Now, they don't have the "name" that
Callaway has built up, so they're not going to be able to sell all their
products in that price range (and I think they don't want to, either).
However, the name "Harvey Penick" carries a lot of weight, due to the
success of the books. Golfsmith produced a set of clubs, most of which were
designed in consultation with Mr. Penick. Voila, you have instant name
recognition, (without the advertising bill Callaway racks up), and you get
the Callaway-buying crowd's attention.

Just as a side note, the paragraph your wrote above would probably be no
less true if you substituted the words "Big Bertha" for "Penick", to compare
the Callaway stuff with Golfsmith's (or Golfwork's, etc.).


Just my opinion... Maury.


Maury.Hammel@USask.CA
Department of Computing Services
University of Saskatchewan
Saskatoon, SK, Canada

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From: Jay Goodacre <bluejay@niagara.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:46:11 -0400
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Source for large graphite/composite driver head

At 03:02 PM 9/27/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Morgan W Pace wrote:
>>=20
>> CSG golf of Spokane used to sell a large graphite "Acer " driver head
>> but they have apparently discontinued them. I would appreciate any
>> suggestions to locate a source for the Acer graphite heads or anything
>> similar approximately 230cc or larger.
>>=20
>> Thanks -- mpace
>
>
>Golfsmith carries the Fiberstar composite driver head....
>Loft/10.5=B0 Lie/55=B0 Weight/200g Volume/265cc
>Bulge/10" Roll/10" Face Ht/48mm Square face angle
>
>They also have the Turbo Power (kevlar) driver head....
>Loft/10.5 Lie/53=B0 Weight/210g Volume/295cc
>Bulge/10" Roll/10" Face ht/42mm Square face angles
>This head also comes in 3W and 5W.
>
>I haven't tried either but am thinking of putting together the Fiberstar
>and still contemplating which shaft to use.
>
>Ted Vida, Jr. (Guam)
>clubmake@ite.net
>
>I have used the fiberstar head with an adila low torque 4.0 shaft for
2years now.I find this a good combination.I also use this with 1 inch over
standard lengh.I am now thinking of making a new one.I beat the old one up
to the point that the finish is becoming very scratched.I don`t think I can
refinish it with any success.I hope this info helps.

Jay Goodacre=20
bluejay@niagara.com


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From: Bill Boehme <vis_wnb@shsu.edu>
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:47:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: ShopTalk: Re: 11 wood head

I need a ladies metal 11 wood head. Can anybody suggest a source? Help
will be appreciated.

Bill


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From: miko <miko@julian.uwo.ca>
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:44:31 -0400
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Penick: Master or Classic

Tedd Childers wrote:
>
> >> I personally think the Penick line of components is overpriced.
///////
and in another post:
> >
>>/////
> What you are paying for is the "Penick" name, which Golfsmith hopes will
> let these clubs be associated with other name brands. Their catalogs say as much.
>////
> My biggest problem with Golfsmith is their policy of gouging
> customers who are not clubmakers. [examples deleted...]
> Whats up with that?

This is not new, there are many examples of 'trade/professional'
discounts
given in every business from food to paper to electrical, plumbing,
electronics, etc.
Where is the problem?

If YOU know the difference, and can get the lower price, then take it!


> Also, the Penick heads are about .../////, These clubs sell for $580.00
> in steel in the retail catalog. This is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS, as they do
> not even frequency match or custom fit these clubs for you. If this company
> is trying to convince customers that component clubs are as good as name
> brands then why are they trying to sell their own name brand (Penick) which
> is no better than any other non-fitted club and as expensive.

That's the goin' rate for an off-the-shelf OEM product. They consider
the
Penick line an OEM product. Just open any golf mag' and you'll see a
multi-page, coloured advertisement for the product line.

How much do you figure that Eli's clubheads cost?, or TM Burners?, OR
H-Gs?

One other "feature" of the OEM pricing for the Penicks...
The clubmakers now have a NAME-BRAND product, recognised the world over,
to market. The Penick product does not get lumped in with the Bummers,
King Snakes, and Crown Vipers. Golfsmith's promotion of the Penick line,
allows clubmakers to market a quality product, and charge a reasonable
price
for it.

> I would be very interested what other clubmakers think of these comments
> and Golfsmith's policies regarding pricing.

This subject comes up every year or so in the RSG newsgroup.

Bottom line:
- - Tiered pricing exsists in every market place, learn to work with it!
- - The "big four" account for about $200,000,000 a year in sales,
primarily to hobbiests! They still want the blessing/acceptance of
the 'professional clubmakers' and are doing what they can to support
both market segments.

- --
| |

db miko
Mac Shack Golf
PCS-Class A Clubmaker
London, Ontario, CANADA

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From: Dexter <colossus@interasia.com.ph>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 01:35:26 +0800
Subject: ShopTalk: Flex point and the cut

I recently had my King Cobra Irons re-shafted with True Temper Dynamic
Gold Sensicore Steel Shafts with X-100 flex. I am aware that the Dynamic
Gold Sensicore Shaft has a high flexpoint. I also noticed that the
shafts were cut from the butt end of the shafts. My question is, will
this affect the Flex Point of the shaft? Is the shaft cut the right way,
butt trimmed although with a high flex point? Will butt trimming make it
stiffer or softer? What about tipping the shaft? Any reply would be
great!

- --
____ __
/ __ \ ___ _ __ / /_ ___ _____
/ / / // _ \ | |/_// __// _ \ / ___/
/ /_/ // __/_> < / /_ / __// /
/_____/ \___//_/|_| \__/ \___//_/

colossus@interasia.com.ph

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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 23:22:58 -0400
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Penick: Master or Classic

Where can I get penick steel for under a $1. Cost is approx. $6 per shaft.
Scott

- ----------
> From: Edwin Ray <eray@ais.net>
> To: ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com
> Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Penick: Master or Classic
> Date: Thursday, September 26, 1996 5:10 PM
>
> Scott wrote:
> >
> > Please recommend which head should be used by some one playing 1 year
> > averaging 112 for 18 holes.
> > Harvey Penick: Master or Classic irons.
> > TT Lite "R' Shatfs
> > Scott Fishel
>
> Penick Masters are a cavity back for us amateurs.
> The Classic is 1/2 cavity 1/2 blade for the better player.
> If you can afford it I would recommend the Penick graphite shafts.
> You will have one great club.
> Actually for less than a dollar a shaft you can get Penick steel which
> is made for those heads.
>
> Skip Ray - RCC Golf

------------------------------

From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 19:20:13 -0400
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Penick: Master or Classic

It will be difficult trying to sell Penick clubs over $300 and have clones
available for about $200. The local hacker will buy the clones. The
experienced "Elder" will go for Penick.
Scott > golfscot@netcom.industry.net
- ----------
> From: miko <miko@julian.uwo.ca>
> To: ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com
> Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Penick: Master or Classic
> Date: Friday, September 27, 1996 12:44 PM
>
> Tedd Childers wrote:
> >
> > >> I personally think the Penick line of components is overpriced.
> ///////
> and in another post:
> > >
> >>/////
> > What you are paying for is the "Penick" name, which Golfsmith hopes
will
> > let these clubs be associated with other name brands. Their catalogs
say as much.
> >////
> > My biggest problem with Golfsmith is their policy of gouging
> > customers who are not clubmakers. [examples deleted...]
> > Whats up with that?
>
> This is not new, there are many examples of 'trade/professional'
> discounts
> given in every business from food to paper to electrical, plumbing,
> electronics, etc.
> Where is the problem?
>
> If YOU know the difference, and can get the lower price, then take it!
>
>
> > Also, the Penick heads are about .../////, These clubs sell for
$580.00
> > in steel in the retail catalog. This is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS, as they
do
> > not even frequency match or custom fit these clubs for you. If this
company
> > is trying to convince customers that component clubs are as good as
name
> > brands then why are they trying to sell their own name brand (Penick)
which
> > is no better than any other non-fitted club and as expensive.
>
> That's the goin' rate for an off-the-shelf OEM product. They consider
> the
> Penick line an OEM product. Just open any golf mag' and you'll see a
> multi-page, coloured advertisement for the product line.
>
> How much do you figure that Eli's clubheads cost?, or TM Burners?, OR
> H-Gs?
>
> One other "feature" of the OEM pricing for the Penicks...
> The clubmakers now have a NAME-BRAND product, recognised the world over,
> to market. The Penick product does not get lumped in with the Bummers,
> King Snakes, and Crown Vipers. Golfsmith's promotion of the Penick line,
> allows clubmakers to market a quality product, and charge a reasonable
> price
> for it.
>
> > I would be very interested what other clubmakers think of these
comments
> > and Golfsmith's policies regarding pricing.
>
> This subject comes up every year or so in the RSG newsgroup.
>
> Bottom line:
> - Tiered pricing exsists in every market place, learn to work with it!
> - The "big four" account for about $200,000,000 a year in sales,
> primarily to hobbiests! They still want the blessing/acceptance of
> the 'professional clubmakers' and are doing what they can to support
> both market segments.
>
> --
> | |
>
> db miko
> Mac Shack Golf
> PCS-Class A Clubmaker
> London, Ontario, CANADA

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