shoptalk-digest Monday, 30 September 1996 Volume 01 : Number
016
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 19:14:03 -0400
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Source for large graphite/composite driver head
try Golf Supply America and Sportex of Arizona
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> From: A02CSM1@MVS.CSO.NIU.EDU
> To: ShopTalk@CONCH.AA.MSEN.COM
> Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Source for large graphite/composite driver head
> Date: Friday, September 27, 1996 2:00 AM
>
> *From: mpace@JUNO.COM(Morgan W Pace)
> *Sender: owner-shoptalk@CONCH.AA.MSEN.COM
> *Precedence: bulk
> *Reply-To: ShopTalk@CONCH.AA.MSEN.COM
> *
> *CSG golf of Spokane used to sell a large graphite "Acer "
driver head
> *but they have apparently discontinued them. I would appreciate any
> *suggestions to locate a source for the Acer graphite heads or anything
> *similar approximately 230cc or larger.
> *
>
> If its the one I remember the FiberStar from Golfsmith is similar.
> Hieroko also used to handle the Acer line.
>
>
> *Thanks -- mpace
>
> Carl Mc Kinley
> Carl's Golf Shop
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From: Chuck West <chuckw1@airmail.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 20:47:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: looking for suppliers
At 07:04 PM 9/26/96 -0400, you wrote:
>can anyone tell me how to get ahold of the following companies.
>either by e-mail/snail mail/telephone or if the have a web site.
>
>alabama golf supply
>
>csg
>
>thank you in advance for your help.
>
>mike
>sam@niagara.com
>
csg has a web page that is still being built.
http://www.csggolf.com
or e-mail
sales@csggolf.com
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From: Chuck West <chuckw1@airmail.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 21:02:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: XPC PLUS Irons
At 07:51 AM 9/26/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm a mid-high handicapper with a slow swing and getting ready to
>build my first complete set of irons. I'm leaning strongly towards
> the XPC Plus.I've heard a lot of good things here about the Irons in
general,
>but does anyone have any experience with the XPC bubble shafts
>and grips? Should I be looking at another shaft?
>
>Also, has anyone used Dave T's swingweight formula's?
>
>
>bowman@blueridge-ef.saic.com
>Vox: 301-878-6333, Fax: 301-878-4543
>
I've used the XPC Plus irons in several sets with great reviews. I have
a
demo that I find very satisfactory for myself. I have not used the bubble
shafts in irons but have made about a dozen in wood heads. They have also
come back with great results. My demo driver is an XPC with bulge shaft
and
i have tried it quite a bit. I find them a little more flexible than some
but very easy to swing. My personal preference in grips is the Golf Pride
Tour Wrap. I find it has a better feel than the XPC grip and is a little
less money.
I have not used Dave T's swing weight formula but I like his theories.
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From: Chuck West <chuckw1@airmail.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 21:17:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Re: 11 wood head
At 11:47 AM 9/27/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I need a ladies metal 11 wood head. Can anybody suggest a source?
Help
>will be appreciated.
>
>Bill
>
I have not recently found a ladies 11 wood. Golfsmith sells the XPC 2000
in
an 11 wood. It is not heavy and has a nice look to it.
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 05:45:29 -0400
Subject: ShopTalk: Penick Advertising / Demo Head
Gabriella, , Steve & Don
Finally saw a full page ad for Penick clubs. Golf Illustrated. !!!
Called Golfsmith for catalog of Penick components. I asked them to ship
it
out ASAP. They said it would take a few weeks.
Anyone know where to but a Penick demo head, #5 iron preferably.
Thanks,
Scott Fishel
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From: miko <miko@julian.uwo.ca>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 08:41:40 -0400
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Penick Advertising / Demo Head
Scott wrote:
>
> Gabriella, , Steve & Don
> Finally saw a full page ad for Penick clubs. Golf Illustrated. !!!
> Called Golfsmith for catalog of Penick components. I asked them to
ship it
> out ASAP. They said it would take a few weeks.
> Anyone know where to but a Penick demo head, #5 iron preferably.
Scott,
Did you check Clubmaker on-line, (The keeper of this list!).
Their pricing is slightly better than "catalogue".
http://www.clubmaker-online.com/
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| |
db miko
Mac Shack Golf
PCS-Class A Clubmaker
London, Ontario, CANADA
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 11:36:06 -0400
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Penick Advertising / Demo Head
Miko
Thanks for reminder.
Scott
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> From: miko <miko@julian.uwo.ca>
> To: ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com
> Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Penick Advertising / Demo Head
> Date: Saturday, September 28, 1996 8:41 AM
>
> Scott wrote:
> >
> > Gabriella, , Steve & Don
> > Finally saw a full page ad for Penick clubs. Golf Illustrated.
!!!
> > Called Golfsmith for catalog of Penick components. I asked them
to ship
it
> > out ASAP. They said it would take a few weeks.
> > Anyone know where to but a Penick demo head, #5 iron preferably.
>
>
> Scott,
> Did you check Clubmaker on-line, (The keeper of this list!).
> Their pricing is slightly better than "catalogue".
>
>
> http://www.clubmaker-online.com/
> --
> |
|
>
> db miko
> Mac Shack Golf
> PCS-Class A Clubmaker
> London, Ontario, CANADA
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From: "M Tilly" <pak05375@pixie.co.za>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 22:11:20 +0000
Subject: ShopTalk: Building clubs
I am a new player in golf and would anyone please help me on how to
build my own set of clubs. Please reply to coke@pixie.co.za
Naeem Tilly
Blah Blah Blah Yakkity Yak Please write back
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Please post replies to:
M Tilly at coke@pixie.co.za
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From: Edwin Ray <eray@ais.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 15:56:23 +0000
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Penick: Master or Classic
Tedd Childers wrote:
>
> >Tedd Childers wrote:
> >>
> >> >Please recommend which head should be used by some one
playing 1 year
> >> >averaging 112 for 18 holes.
> >> > Harvey Penick: Master or Classic irons.
> >> > TT Lite "R' Shatfs
> >> >Scott Fishel
> >> >
> >>
> >> I personally think the Penick line of components is overpriced.
Check out
> >> the Raven Golf components at 1-800-236-4566 or on the net.
Just type Raven
> >> golf in the search field on Yahoo and you will bet there.
> >
> >
> > You get what you pay for.!
> >
> >Are you trying to say that the Penick line of clubheads are better
than
> other Golfsmith components? Golfsmith makes the Penick line, and the
> tolerances are no tighter than their other components. What you are
paying
> for is the "Penick" name, which Golfsmith hopes will let
these clubs be
> associated with other name brands. Their catalogs say as much. I
have
> personally used heads from both Golfsmith and Raven, and the Raven
heads are
> as good or better than any Golfsmith products, and they are better
looking
> to boot. My biggest problem with Golfsmith is their policy of gouging
> customers who are not clubmakers. Two cases in point are the SIMS
shock
> absorbing inserts and the Penick club line. The SIMS are $15.95 for
a pack
> of 3 if ordered out of their component catalog, but $19.95 if ordered
out of
> their retail catalog. Whats up with that? Also, the Penick heads
are about
> $15 each, the steel shafts are about $5, and the grips about $2. This
gives
> a per club price of about $22-$25 per club. A set of 3-PW would cost
> $200-250 to build with shipping and supplies. These clubs sell for
$580.00
> in steel in the retail catalog. This is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS, as
they do
> not even frequency match or custom fit these clubs for you. If this
company
> is trying to convince customers that component clubs are as good as
name
> brands then why are they trying to sell their own name brand (Penick)
which
> is no better than any other non-fitted club and as expensive. The
heads and
> shafts are ABSOLUTELY NOT any better than their other products, and
in some
> cases not as good. The Brunswick shaft is definetely better than the
Penick
> steel, and their are better graphite shafts as well. I would be very
> interested what other clubmakers think of these comments and Golfsmith's
> policies regarding pricing.
Golfsmith prices in the catalogs are open to everyone who wants to buy
them. You do not have to be a registered clubmaker.
The retail prices are a match for other name brand club prices - and I
do think the quality is as good. The idea is - buy from a clubmaker,
get them custom fitted and get a lower price!
Where do you get the idea about their heads and shaft not being better
(or not as good)?
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 18:49:27 -0400
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Building clubs
Find Dynacraft Golf at an search engine. On their site is complete
instructions to be printed out. I will find address out send it later.
Scott >golfscot @netcom.industry.net
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> From: M Tilly <pak05375@pixie.co.za>
> To: ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com
> Subject: ShopTalk: Building clubs
> Date: Saturday, September 28, 1996 6:11 PM
>
> I am a new player in golf and would anyone please help me on how to
> build my own set of clubs. Please reply to coke@pixie.co.za
>
> Naeem Tilly
> Blah Blah Blah Yakkity Yak Please write back
> ----------------------
> Please post replies to:
> M Tilly at coke@pixie.co.za
> ---------------------------------
>
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From: clubmake@ite.net (Ted Jr. Vida)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 13:46:10 -0700
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Building clubs
M Tilly wrote:
>
> I am a new player in golf and would anyone please help me on how to
> build my own set of clubs. Please reply to coke@pixie.co.za
>
> Naeem Tilly
> Blah Blah Blah Yakkity Yak Please write back
> ----------------------
> Please post replies to:
> M Tilly at coke@pixie.co.za
> ---------------------------------
It would be very helpful to be knowledgeable first before you attempt to
build clubs. You don't want to throw away your money by making mistakes
like cutting the shaft short, etc. especially if you use expensive
components.
Check Golfsmith, Golfworks, Dynacraft....they should have books on this
for beginning clubmakers.
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From: Chuck West <chuckw1@airmail.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 96 22:56:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Penick Advertising / Demo Head
At 05:45 AM 9/28/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Gabriella, , Steve & Don
>Finally saw a full page ad for Penick clubs. Golf Illustrated. !!!
>Called Golfsmith for catalog of Penick components. I asked them to ship
it
>out ASAP. They said it would take a few weeks.
>Anyone know where to but a Penick demo head, #5 iron preferably.
>Thanks,
>Scott Fishel
>
You can order a demo set from Golfsmith at 1-800-456-3344
2 iron heads + 1 driver head $56 + shipping
several other combos avail
also ind heads avail
PC100 (RH) Claasic Player (Blade Design) iron head
PC200 Classic Lady Iron heads
PM100 Penick Master (perimeter weighting) iron heads
All for $15.5 per head plus shipping and tax
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From: clubmake@ite.net (Ted Jr. Vida)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 14:01:52 -0700
Subject: ShopTalk: Golfsmith Titanium 260 Driver Head
I read in a previous issue of the Clubmaker that when one assembles a
titanium head driver to set it horizontal while the epoxy cures. This is
to prevent the epoxy from dripping into the cavity and beading up causing
a rattle when it dries up. I've seen a Taylor Made Ti driver like that.
Anyway, back to the subject. I just put together a Golfsmith Ti260 and
found out that the head is not hollow but filled with foam. Does anyone
know if Golfsmith had the head filled to prevent the epoxy from dripping
in case the clubmaker was unaware of the potential problem and if they
did, could it be to prevent returns from unsatisfied customers. Now what
I'm getting at is, the clubhead itself specs out to be 200g according to
the catalog but I don't know if the foam was placed after publication
thereby adding on extra weight. I didn't get to weigh the head before I
put the club together. If the foam was filled to avoid returns, as I've
heard most Ti heads are hollow, then I've got a graphite-weighted Ti
head.
Anyone who has had similar experience... I would greatly appreciate
feedback.
Ted Vida, Jr.
clubmakeAite.net
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 09:03:20 -0400
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Golfsmith Titanium 260 Driver Head
I have been using the Titanium 260 for aout 5 months. I weighed the head
prior to installation and found it to be 212g. I installed it on a
Titanium 220 shaft. While the epoxy was curing the club was standing
upright. No problem yet with expoxy beads. I think my Ti head has foam in
it.
What shaft did you use and how doesit perform with this head.
Scott>golfscot@netcom.industry.net
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> From: Ted Jr. Vida <clubmake@ite.net>
> To: Shop Talk <ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com>
> Subject: ShopTalk: Golfsmith Titanium 260 Driver Head
> Date: Sunday, September 29, 1996 5:01 PM
>
> I read in a previous issue of the Clubmaker that when one assembles
a
> titanium head driver to set it horizontal while the epoxy cures. This
is
> to prevent the epoxy from dripping into the cavity and beading up causing
> a rattle when it dries up. I've seen a Taylor Made Ti driver like
that.
> Anyway, back to the subject. I just put together a Golfsmith Ti260
and
> found out that the head is not hollow but filled with foam. Does anyone
> know if Golfsmith had the head filled to prevent the epoxy from dripping
> in case the clubmaker was unaware of the potential problem and if they
> did, could it be to prevent returns from unsatisfied customers. Now
what
> I'm getting at is, the clubhead itself specs out to be 200g according
to
> the catalog but I don't know if the foam was placed after publication
> thereby adding on extra weight. I didn't get to weigh the head before
I
> put the club together. If the foam was filled to avoid returns, as
I've
> heard most Ti heads are hollow, then I've got a graphite-weighted Ti
> head.
>
> Anyone who has had similar experience... I would greatly appreciate
> feedback.
>
> Ted Vida, Jr.
> clubmakeAite.net
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From: Mark Adam <madam@pmac-acim.org>
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 10:15:51 -0400
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Re: 11 wood head
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Hi;
Criterion golf in Ottawa, Canada has 11, 13 and 15 woods. Page 12, BFC
=
502HL. they cost Canadian $ 31-34 depending on how many you buy. Phone
=
number 613 727-1721
Mark
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From: Chuck West[SMTP:chuckw1@airmail.net]
Sent: September 27, 1996 5:17 PM
To: ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Re: 11 wood head
At 11:47 AM 9/27/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I need a ladies metal 11 wood head. Can anybody suggest a source?
=
Help
>will be appreciated.
>
>Bill
>
I have not recently found a ladies 11 wood. Golfsmith sells the XPC 2000
=
in
an 11 wood. It is not heavy and has a nice look to it.
From: mpace@juno.com (Morgan W Pace)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 11:47:58 PST
Subject: ShopTalk: Golf cart windshields
Anyone noticed a source for the "roll up" type windshields for
golf
carts?? If so, I would appreciate a phone # or address.
Thanks in advance -- mpace
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 13:18:09 -0400
Subject: ShopTalk: Club-maker On Line Orders: Penick
Do you sell Penick heads indivisually for demo purposes. Would rather oredr
from you than Golfsmith.
Thanks,
Scott
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From: "Scott" <golfscot@netcom.industry.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 16:24:05 -0400
Subject: ShopTalk: Penick Clubs, Getting Hot
I am getting more excited about using and selling Penick clubs.
I mentioned Harvey Penick clubs to my father in-law and his eyes popped
out. He will be my first customer, then myself. I saw another full page
add
for these clubs in Golf Illustrated.
Thanks; Don, Steve, Gabriella, Miko, Jon and rest of Shop Talk.
Scott Fishel
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From: Dan Crowley <dcrowley@terracom.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:25:28 -0500
Subject: ShopTalk: Ping
Scott wrote:
>
> I am getting more excited about using and selling Penick clubs.
> I mentioned Harvey Penick clubs to my father in-law and his eyes popped
> out. He will be my first customer, then myself. I saw another full
page add
> for these clubs in Golf Illustrated.
> Thanks; Don, Steve, Gabriella, Miko, Jon and rest of Shop Talk.
> Scott Fishel
I am sorry to piggy back on this thread, but using the reply function is
the simplest way I know how to send this question forward.
I have a set of Ping eye 2 Blacks. I have always liked them.
I also like a set of Golfstream Goldsmith irons with a graphite shaft.
Now my thoughts run to reshafting the Pings to a gGraphite shaft.
I am thinking of the Dynamic Gold Graphite, or perhaps the Dynamic Lite
Graphites.
My father said he'd heard you cannot re shaft Pings?
Anyone had experience reshafting. Is the Shaft non-standard in bore?
Thanks for any help
Dan Crowley
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From: clubmake@ite.net (Ted Jr. Vida)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 19:01:58 -0700
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Golfsmith Titanium 260 Driver Head
Scott wrote:
>
> I have been using the Titanium 260 for aout 5 months. I weighed the
head
> prior to installation and found it to be 212g. I installed it on a
> Titanium 220 shaft. While the epoxy was curing the club was standing
> upright. No problem yet with expoxy beads. I think my Ti head has foam
in
> it.
> What shaft did you use and how doesit perform with this head.
> Scott>golfscot@netcom.industry.net
>
Scott,
I used a True Temper EI-70 Ultralight Graphite Shaft...Stiff Flex. I
made it for someone and we'll be playing together in about two days.
Maybe then I'll find out how it performs. What gets me, as you said you
pre-weighed the head at 212g, is that without doing what you did, one
would have the notion of completing a club with a 200g head and
curiosly find out later that the static and swingweight are oddly heavy.
Specially if the inital intention was to build an overlength club based
on the components' weights.
More please...
Ted
> ----------
> > From: Ted Jr. Vida <clubmake@ite.net>
> > To: Shop Talk <ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com>
> > Subject: ShopTalk: Golfsmith Titanium 260 Driver Head
> > Date: Sunday, September 29, 1996 5:01 PM
> >
> > I read in a previous issue of the Clubmaker that when one assembles
a
> > titanium head driver to set it horizontal while the epoxy cures.
This is
>
> > to prevent the epoxy from dripping into the cavity and beading
up causing
>
> > a rattle when it dries up. I've seen a Taylor Made Ti driver
like that.
> > Anyway, back to the subject. I just put together a Golfsmith
Ti260 and
> > found out that the head is not hollow but filled with foam. Does
anyone
> > know if Golfsmith had the head filled to prevent the epoxy from
dripping
> > in case the clubmaker was unaware of the potential problem and
if they
> > did, could it be to prevent returns from unsatisfied customers.
Now what
>
> > I'm getting at is, the clubhead itself specs out to be 200g according
to
> > the catalog but I don't know if the foam was placed after publication
> > thereby adding on extra weight. I didn't get to weigh the head
before I
> > put the club together. If the foam was filled to avoid returns,
as I've
> > heard most Ti heads are hollow, then I've got a graphite-weighted
Ti
> > head.
> >
> > Anyone who has had similar experience... I would greatly appreciate
> > feedback.
> >
> > Ted Vida, Jr.
> > clubmakeAite.net
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