>shoptalk-digest Friday, 26 July 1996 Volume 01 : Number 002
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>From: A02CSM1@MVS.CSO.NIU.EDU
>Date: Tue, 23 Jul 96 01:34 CDT
>Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Composite Club Heads
>
>*From: jeff_lang@LUTZ.COM(Jeff Lang)
>*Subject: ShopTalk: Composite Club Heads
>*Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:22:20 -0400
>*Message-ID: <19960722122219117.AAA215@jeff.lutz.com>
>*Sender: owner-shoptalk@CONCH.AA.MSEN.COM
>*Precedence: bulk
>*Reply-To: ShopTalk@CONCH.AA.MSEN.COM
>*
>*Does anyone know why composite wood heads fell into disfavor with club
>*makers, especially pro-line companies? Are there problems with playability,
>*quality or reliability? The current Golfsmith catalog lists a half
dozen
>*composite wood heads ranging in price from $30 - $50. This is certainly
>*comparable to the cost of metal heads, and considerably less expensive
than
>*titanium heads, so expense cannot be the reason.
>*
>*Thanks for any information you can provide.
>*
>
>Jeff,
>Thats a very good question, of which I dont have a good answer.
>Personally, I prefer the composite heads. I think the 747 is one
>of the best heads around. Currently I'm using the FiberStar?. My
>best guess is marketing by the oem's; newer; stronger material's
>make longer hitting clubs, etc. I cant stand the sound of the
>metal woods. Hope you get some better answers than this;-)
>
>
>
>
>*Jeff
>*Jeffrey T. Lang
>*Data Center Manager
>*Lutz Information Resources,
>*Detroit, MI
>*jeff_lang@lutz.com
>*
>
>Carl Mc Kinley
>Carl's Golf Shop
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>
>From: B0WXHHD@NSDL.BELL-ATL.COM
>Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 07:29:30 -0400
>Subject: ShopTalk: Question
>
> I have have a question regarding swingweighting: I know how to add
> weight to a club using weights or powder but how do I reduce the
> weight? Example: If I am assembling a club and it weighs out at D5
> but I want a D0 what can I do to reduce the swingweight to D0?
>
> Thanks!!!!
> Barry
>
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>
>From: LODISE@mailgate.navsses.navy.mil (Lodise, John)
>Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:10 EST
>Subject: ShopTalk: tip trimming/bend point
>
>Does tip trimming change the bend point - in particular when you tip
trim
>more than normal to make it play stiffer. Some combination flex shafts
>require tip trimming an additional 2" or so to make it "S",
but wouldn't
>this alter the bend point a bit?
>
>John
>
>
>
>
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>From: jeff_lang@lutz.com (Jeff Lang)
>Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:23:39 -0400
>Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Composite Club Heads
>
>Carl,
>
>Thanks for the reply. My question was prompted when I came upon the
>Fiberstar in the Golfsmith catalog. Now I have been through that catalog
>several dozen times before, and I have no idea why I failed to notice
this
>head. It appears to have everything I am looking for in a driver head
-
>oversize, short hosel, deep bore design, keel sole while staying away
from
>the "clone" issue. It also seems that the material is one
of the hardest
>around. Plus, it looks really cool in the back lit catalog photo. So,
why is
>it that I have never seen it mentioned before?
>
>Since you are currently playing this club would you care to offer an
opinion
>about its playability, and any details about your choice of shaft etc.?
>
>>Thats a very good question, of which I dont have a good answer.
>>Personally, I prefer the composite heads. I think the 747 is one
>>of the best heads around. Currently I'm using the FiberStar?. My
>>best guess is marketing by the oem's; newer; stronger material's
>>make longer hitting clubs, etc. I cant stand the sound of the
>>metal woods. Hope you get some better answers than this;-)
>
>Thanks again for your reply.
>Jeff
>
>Jeffrey T. Lang
>Data Center Manager
>Lutz Information Resources,
>Detroit, MI
>jeff_lang@lutz.com
>
>
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>
>From: "Gerald L. Fingerhut" <gerwen@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:49:30 -0700
>Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Composite Club Heads
>
>Jeff Lang wrote:
>>
>> Carl,
>>
>> Thanks for the reply. My question was prompted when I came upon
the
>> Fiberstar in the Golfsmith catalog. Now I have been through that
catalog
>> several dozen times before, and I have no idea why I failed to
notice this
>> head. It appears to have everything I am looking for in a driver
head -
>> oversize, short hosel, deep bore design, keel sole while staying
away from
>> the "clone" issue. It also seems that the material is
one of the hardest
>> around. Plus, it looks really cool in the back lit catalog photo.
So, why is
>> it that I have never seen it mentioned before?
>>
>> Since you are currently playing this club would you care to offer
an opinion
>> about its playability, and any details about your choice of shaft
etc.?
>>
>> >Thats a very good question, of which I dont have a good answer.
>> >Personally, I prefer the composite heads. I think the 747 is
one
>> >of the best heads around. Currently I'm using the FiberStar?.
My
>> >best guess is marketing by the oem's; newer; stronger material's
>> >make longer hitting clubs, etc. I cant stand the sound of the
>> >metal woods. Hope you get some better answers than this;-)
>>
>> Thanks again for your reply.
>> Jeff
>>
>> Jeffrey T. Lang
>> Data Center Manager
>> Lutz Information Resources,
>> Detroit, MI
>> jeff_lang@lutz.comI have used the Fiberstar head on several drivers
in combination with
>Swix shafts. They balanced out at approx D0-D1. Playing characteristics
>have been excellent.
>
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>
>From: MSSmia@aol.com
>Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 14:07:06 -0400
>Subject: Re: ShopTalk: tip trimming/bend point
>
>As far I can tell, you'll obviously alter the kick point by more tip
>trimming, but I'm not sure you necessarily alter the bend point. I'm
sure
>some of the other tech savvy guys have the full answer.
>
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>
>From: Wood <woodb@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:52:32 -0700
>Subject: ShopTalk: Question about Golfsmith recommended lengths
>
>I've noticed that Golfsmith recommends adding an extra 1/2" to
the
>"standard" shaft lengths on all their clubs because they tend
to be lighter,
>but I also noticed that their lie angles are no different than standard
>length clubs. Wouldn't that extra length require a decrease, if only
>slight, in the lie angle of the club?
>
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>
>From: johndrew@sn.no (JOHN R. DREW JR.)
>Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 21:48:29 GMT
>Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Question about Golfsmith recommended lengths
>
>On Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:52:32 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>I've noticed that Golfsmith recommends adding an extra 1/2"
to the
>>"standard" shaft lengths on all their clubs because they
tend to be lighter,
>>but I also noticed that their lie angles are no different than standard
>>length clubs. Wouldn't that extra length require a decrease, if
only
>>slight, in the lie angle of the club?
>You know it's funny on this issue. The old standard of 43 1/2"
for the
>driver and the 5 iron being 37 1/2" has gone to pot! It does seem
now
>that 1/2" longer is the standard these days. Is this in fact the
>standard now?
>
>John
>
>
>John R. Drew Jr.
>johndrew@sn.no
>
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>
>From: mark kozu <markk@accessone.com>
>Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 21:08:07 -0700
>Subject: ShopTalk: Left handed children's clubs
>
>I am thinking about trying my hand at clubmaking. In addition to some
>clubs for myself, I would like to make a couple of clubs for my 8 year
>old daughter. She is left handed and the Golfsmith catalog only lists
>right handed youth clubheads. Does anyone offer left handed youth
>clubheads?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark Kozu
>
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>
>From: miko <miko@julian.uwo.ca>
>Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 07:32:20 -0400
>Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Left handed children's clubs
>
>mark kozu wrote:
>>
>> I am thinking about trying my hand at clubmaking. In addition to
some
>> clubs for myself, I would like to make a couple of clubs for my
8 year
>> old daughter. She is left handed and the Golfsmith catalog only
lists
>> right handed youth clubheads. Does anyone offer left handed youth
>> clubheads?
>
>GolfWorks carries a left and right handed junior set of heads...
>
>1-800-848-8358
>- --
>| |
>
> db miko
> Mac Shack Golf
> PCS-Class A Clubmaker
> London, Ontario, CANADA
>
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>
>From: B0WXHHD@NSDL.BELL-ATL.COM
>Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 07:52:36 -0400
>Subject: ShopTalk: Shoptalk Question
>
> When attempting to swingweight a club I how to add weight by using
> weights or powder, but how do you reduce the swingweight if it is
> weighing out too heavy? Example, if the new club is weighing out at
> D5 but I prefer D0 how would I reduce the swingweight?
>
> Thanks
> Barry
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>
>From: djmiller@wolf.co.net (Daniel J. Miller)
>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 00:56:27 -0500
>Subject: ShopTalk: Leather Grips
>
>A friend wants his 3 wood regripped. The grip is leather and in very
good
>shape except it is somewhat slippery. Is there a way to "refinish"
the grip
>without replacing it. (Saddle soap, mink oil, ....?)
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dan
>djm
>
>
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>
>From: A02CSM1@MVS.CSO.NIU.EDU
>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 04:57 CDT
>Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Composite Club Heads
>
>*From: jeff_lang@LUTZ.COM(Jeff Lang)
>*Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Composite Club Heads
>*Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:23:39 -0400
>*Message-ID: <19960723142338365.AAA242@jeff.lutz.com>
>*Sender: owner-shoptalk@CONCH.AA.MSEN.COM
>*Precedence: bulk
>*Reply-To: ShopTalk@CONCH.AA.MSEN.COM
>*
>*Carl,
>*
>*Thanks for the reply. My question was prompted when I came upon the
>*Fiberstar in the Golfsmith catalog. Now I have been through that catalog
>*several dozen times before, and I have no idea why I failed to notice
this
>*head. It appears to have everything I am looking for in a driver head
-
>*oversize, short hosel, deep bore design, keel sole while staying away
from
>*the "clone" issue. It also seems that the material is one
of the hardest
>*around. Plus, it looks really cool in the back lit catalog photo. So,
why is
>*it that I have never seen it mentioned before?
>*
>Jeff;
>I agree, it is a very good looking head. I just ordered a new one
>from Golfsmith. It was backordered so someone must be buying them.
>The one Im currently using has a Carbonstick 'R' flex shaft(46").
>Its a very solid feel, the ball really jumps off the head on a
>well hit shot. The reason for a new one is the current head has
>gotten a little scraped up( across the top, caused by some not
>so well shots;-)). I tried to refinish the head but couldn't get
>the same look as the original finish. Wish I knew how to get the
>same marbling effect when refinishing. Anyway, I beleive I'll put
>a G Loomis Ultralite shaft in this one, probably the same length.
>
>*Since you are currently playing this club would you care to offer an
opinion
>*about its playability, and any details about your choice of shaft etc.?
>*
>*>Thats a very good question, of which I dont have a good answer.
>*>Personally, I prefer the composite heads. I think the 747 is one
>*>of the best heads around. Currently I'm using the FiberStar?. My
>*>best guess is marketing by the oem's; newer; stronger material's
>*>make longer hitting clubs, etc. I cant stand the sound of the
>*>metal woods. Hope you get some better answers than this;-)
>*
>*Thanks again for your reply.
>*Jeff
>*
>*Jeffrey T. Lang
>*Data Center Manager
>*Lutz Information Resources,
>*Detroit, MI
>*jeff_lang@lutz.com
>*
>
>Carl Mc Kinley
>Carl's Golf Shop
>
>
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>
>From: plexus corp <plexus@calhoun.lakes.com>
>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:12:56 -0500
>Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Leather Grips
>
>At 12:56 AM 7/25/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>A friend wants his 3 wood regripped. The grip is leather and in
very good
>>shape except it is somewhat slippery. Is there a way to "refinish"
the grip
>>without replacing it. (Saddle soap, mink oil, ....?)
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Dan
>>djm
>>
>>Dan, I use a product called "Lexoil" or "Lexol"(I
dont remember the
>spelling and I don't have any in front of me.) Use cleaner first-several
>applications to clean the leather, then use conditioner-again several
>applications. The grip will look almost new. I buy mine at automotive
>discount stores or it is available at Golfworks. It also works great
on your
>leather seats in your car or leather upholstry around the home. It is
good
>stuff!
>
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>
>From: Steve Kinley <skinl19@idt.net>
>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 18:46:35 -0700
>Subject: ShopTalk: Forged irons
>
>I am looking for sources for forged iron heads, particularly 1 irons.
I
>would like to match something close to my JNP's. Cast heads are easier
>to find (cheaper) but would prefer forged.
>
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>
>From: Dogzilla <dogzilla@atl.mindspring.com>
>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 18:15:35 -0400
>Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Forged irons
>
>Try Goflsmith or Dynacraft.
>
>At 06:46 PM 7/25/96 -0700, you wrote:
>>I am looking for sources for forged iron heads, particularly 1 irons.
I
>>would like to match something close to my JNP's. Cast heads are
easier
>>to find (cheaper) but would prefer forged.
>>
>>
>
>
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>
>From: CSPG70A@prodigy.com (MR JIM P MURPHREY)
>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 23:12:03, -0500
>Subject: RE:ShopTalk: Shoptalk Question
>
>Barry:
>In order to reduce the swing weight, you have to add weight to the
>grip end of the club. Just the opposite from adding to the head to
>increase. The addition to the butt can be done in several ways.
>Golf Smith has a holder that is epoxied into the butt after the grip
>is removed. You then add weight to the pocket provided. Or you can
>epoxy in a piece of lead rod. If I don't want to remove the grip and
>want something temporary to see how it feels, I enlarge the hole in
>the grip slightly and insert a tip weight with the shoulder end on
>the outside of the grip. You can also re grip with a heavier grip.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Jim
>
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>
>From: "Kevin George" <kgeorge@major.cei.net>
>Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 07:58:42 +0000
>Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Forged irons
>
>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 18:46:35 -0700
>From: Steve Kinley <skinl19@idt.net>
>To: ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com
>Subject: ShopTalk: Forged irons
>Reply-to: ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com
>
>I am looking for sources for forged iron heads, particularly 1 irons.
I
>would like to match something close to my JNP's. Cast heads are easier
>to find (cheaper) but would prefer forged.
>
>Golfsmith has forged iron blades (1thru SW). These are the irons
>Scott Verplank uses on tour. Golfworks also has forged irons but they
>don't list a 1 iron. Hope this helps.
>
>Kevin
>Kevin George
>kgeorge@major.cei.net
>
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>
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