shoptalk-digest Saturday, 3 August 1996 Volume 01 : Number 004


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From: A02CSM1@MVS.CSO.NIU.EDU
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 96 02:14 CDT
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Shafts for high lofted woods

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*I just built my wife 3,5,7,and 9 woods using golf smith components.
*I used Aldila Low Torque Lady shafts. The triming instructions say
*to not trim more than three inches. The wood shafts come out of the
*box at 44 inches.
*My calculations say that the lady's nine wood should end up at 38
*inches total club length.
*Obviously, I can't make it work and stay within the 3 inch maximum
*trim. Should I use iron shafts that come at 39 inch length for the
*high lofted woods?
*.....Mike

The reason for not trimming more from the tip is due to the shaft
taper. These type shafts are called unitized or parallel, meaning
the tip diameter is the same for some length before it begins to
taper(apperantly the Aldila shaft increases diameter after 3 in).
If you trimmed more than the recommended length the shaft wont
properly fit in the hosel. The instructions should also tell you
to tip trim for flex and butt trim for length.

You cant substitute an iron shaft for a wood shaft because the
tip diameters are different.

Hope this helps.

Carl Mc Kinley
Carl's Golf Shop

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From: "Ralph Harwood" <Ralph_Harwood@mail.ehnr.state.nc.us>
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 96 08:04:54 EST
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: epoxy

I built a set of clubs for myself with the best epoxy from a hardware
store and they worked just fine.

I got the suggestion from tech support at Golfsmith.

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: ShopTalk: epoxy
Author: ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com at Internet
Date: 8/2/96 12:56 AM


Is there any difference between shaft epoxy and the epoxy you get at
your local hardware store?




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From: "John G. Bowman" <bowman@blueridge-ef.saic.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:47:02 EDT -0400
Subject: ShopTalk: Hogan Radial Clubs

Does anyone have any knowledge (ie. retail cost, current "fair market
value) of Hogan Radial irons with the Apex shaft? The clubs are
approximately 10 years old. A friend has a set for sale and I tried
them the other day. They really work well for me and I'm considering
buying them.

ANY info would be greatly appreciated.

John G. Bowman
bowman@blueridge-ef.saic.com
304-274-5962

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From: cthulhu@ionet.net (Rick Barnes)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:25:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: ShopTalk: Golfsmith Sterling Irons??????

I would appreciate any feedback on the Sterling irons from Golfsmith. How
do they
play, hit well? , etc. Also, are the matching Sterling shafts a good shaft or
do you recommend something else. Thanks for any input.

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From: rajan@autoa.com (Raj V. Rajan)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 96 08:54:28 EDT
Subject: ShopTalk: epoxy

> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 96 08:04:54 EST
> From: "Ralph Harwood" <Ralph_Harwood@mail.ehnr.state.nc.us>
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> I built a set of clubs for myself with the best epoxy from a hardware
> store and they worked just fine.
>
> I got the suggestion from tech support at Golfsmith.
>
>

Ralph,

Could you please provide the brand name of the epoxy?.

Thanks

Raj

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From: cthulhu@ionet.net (Rick Barnes)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:26:21 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: ShopTalk: Leyland Graphite Shafts?

I would appreciate any feedback on the Leyland line of graphite shafts. Thanks.

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From: bakerta@phibred.com (Baker, Troy A.)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:51:07 -0500
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Hogan Radial Clubs

They are very fine clubs and I played with a set a couple of years back. I
bought them used at a local pro shop for $100 (3-pw) and they looked like
new.
Fine clubs, old technology as compared to the modern game improvement clubs.
Troy Baker
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From: ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com
To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com
Subject: ShopTalk: Hogan Radial Clubs
Date: Friday, August 02, 1996 8:10AM

Does anyone have any knowledge (ie. retail cost, current "fair market
value) of Hogan Radial irons with the Apex shaft? The clubs are
approximately 10 years old. A friend has a set for sale and I tried
them the other day. They really work well for me and I'm considering
buying them.

ANY info would be greatly appreciated.

John G. Bowman
bowman@blueridge-ef.saic.com
304-274-5962

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From: "Glaser Jonathan" <Glaser_Jonathan@bah.com>
Date: 2 Aug 1996 10:34:36 U
Subject: ShopTalk: Shoptalk

Greetings,
I have only been on this list for a short period of time but really enjoy it.

I haven't put together my first club yet -- im getting ready....

Has anyone ever played the Golfsmith O/S Project? Its a LH model and comes in
a slightly flatter lie (59 deg. on the 5-iron) and since im only 5'4 i hope
that might save me time/money bending the heads. If y'all can recommend a
cavity backed, peripheral weighted iron that comes in LH from somewhere else
- -- im all ears.

And, has anyone any experience with the True Temper Gold Plus shaft? Worth the
$?

Of course, any advice on making that first set of irons is appreciated (and
yes, I am only going to start with 1 club!) Thanks, in advance

glaser_jonathan@bah.com


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From: tedd_childers@ncsu.edu (Tedd Childers)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 96 10:59:00 EDT
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Hogan Radial Clubs

>Does anyone have any knowledge (ie. retail cost, current "fair market
>value) of Hogan Radial irons with the Apex shaft? The clubs are
>approximately 10 years old. A friend has a set for sale and I tried
>them the other day. They really work well for me and I'm considering
>buying them.
>
>ANY info would be greatly appreciated.
>
>John G. Bowman
>bowman@blueridge-ef.saic.com
>304-274-5962
>
>I saw a set of Hogan Radials (3-SW) with the Apex 3 shafts at a local golf
store here in Raleigh for $140.00. The clubs were in great shape and the
grips even looked pretty new (they were Hogan originals). The store
actually had another set of Radials (3-PW) also in good shape for $175.00.
I would think that $150-200 is a fair price. BTW, I tried the clubs and was
hiiting them very well. I have heard good things about these clubs on
GOLFonline. I just made myself a set or I would have bought these. If you
are interested, let me know and I will get you the phone number of the
store. They will ship to you if they still have them.

Tedd


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From: miko@uwo.ca (D. B. Miko)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:00:50 -0500
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: epoxy

>Is there any difference between shaft epoxy and the epoxy you get at
>your local hardware store?

YES!

Most epoxy manufacturers have several epoxies.

'Hardware Store' epoxy tends to be 'general use', i.e. moderate strength,
moderate temperature range, etc.

Shafting epoxies tend to be designed for 'HIGH SHEAR STRENGTH',
they tend to be a bit softer, less brittle, and remain stable
for higher temperature ranges than 'general use' epoxies.

(Why high temperature range?--think of the heat that develops in your truck
in the summer, and the other extreme in the winter...).

The "5-min" epoxies tend to be a bit more brittle, and are generally
O.K. for putters, and in a pinch for any other club, but I wouldn't
count on it for years of use and thermal stress...



"my opinions are my own, but I don't mind sharing ..."

db miko
UWO-Hardware Services
519-661-3027



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From: tedd_childers@ncsu.edu (Tedd Childers)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 96 11:06:24 EDT
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Shoptalk

>Greetings,
>I have only been on this list for a short period of time but really enjoy it.
>
>I haven't put together my first club yet -- im getting ready....
>
>Has anyone ever played the Golfsmith O/S Project? Its a LH model and comes in
>a slightly flatter lie (59 deg. on the 5-iron) and since im only 5'4 i hope
>that might save me time/money bending the heads. If y'all can recommend a
>cavity backed, peripheral weighted iron that comes in LH from somewhere else
>-- im all ears.
>
>And, has anyone any experience with the True Temper Gold Plus shaft? Worth the
>$?
>
>Of course, any advice on making that first set of irons is appreciated (and
>yes, I am only going to start with 1 club!) Thanks, in advance
>
>glaser_jonathan@bah.com
>
>
>Call Paul Nickles at Northern Golf at (414) 255-5879. He carries Raven
Golf clubs which I currently play and I feel they are excellent quality and
cheaper than Golfsmith (also better looking). I know they have 2 or 3 sets
of heads in LH models. Paul is a great guy who is more than willing to help
aspiring clubmakers. He can adjust loft/lie and also frequency match shafts
for you. They can also be found on the net, just search for Raven Golf. He
also sells the full line of True Temper shafts and Apollo shafts as well.

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From: "Glaser Jonathan" <Glaser_Jonathan@bah.com>
Date: 2 Aug 1996 11:23:17 U
Subject: FW: ShopTalk: Shoptalk

Greetings,
I have only been on this list for a short period of time but really enjoy it.

I haven't put together my first club yet -- im getting ready....

Has anyone ever played the Golfsmith O/S Project? Its a LH model and comes in
a slightly flatter lie (59 deg. on the 5-iron) and since im only 5'4 i hope
that might save me time/money bending the heads. If y'all can recommend a
cavity backed, peripheral weighted iron that comes in LH from somewhere else
- -- im all ears.

And, has anyone any experience with the True Temper Gold Plus shaft? Worth the
$?

Of course, any advice on making that first set of irons is appreciated (and
yes, I am only going to start with 1 club!) Thanks, in advance

glaser_jonathan@bah.com

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From: "Ralph Harwood" <Ralph_Harwood@mail.ehnr.state.nc.us>
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 96 11:18:16 EST
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Shoptalk


The O/S Project irons are what I use. I am very pleased with them!

I constructed them with a Dynamic Gold Stiff Shaft. I love the performance of
the shaft but I found them to be too heavy in the fact I was having to control
the swing (and club) with my arms too much causing my swing to be inconsistent.

Due to lack of time on my part, I had a professional clubmaker to go back and
put in Dynamic Lite shafts, which gave me better results in the area of
consistency.

I am not familiar with the Dynamic Gold Plus shafts but I hope what I have said
will help some.

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: ShopTalk: Shoptalk
Author: ShopTalk@conch.aa.msen.com at Internet
Date: 8/2/96 11:00 AM


Greetings,
I have only been on this list for a short period of time but really enjoy it.

I haven't put together my first club yet -- im getting ready....

Has anyone ever played the Golfsmith O/S Project? Its a LH model and comes in
a slightly flatter lie (59 deg. on the 5-iron) and since im only 5'4 i hope
that might save me time/money bending the heads. If y'all can recommend a
cavity backed, peripheral weighted iron that comes in LH from somewhere else
- -- im all ears.

And, has anyone any experience with the True Temper Gold Plus shaft? Worth the
$?

Of course, any advice on making that first set of irons is appreciated (and
yes, I am only going to start with 1 club!) Thanks, in advance

glaser_jonathan@bah.com

From: rajan@autoa.com (Raj V. Rajan)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 96 11:40:01 EDT
Subject: ShopTalk: Shoptalk

> Date: 2 Aug 1996 10:34:36 U
> Priority: Urgent
> From: "Glaser Jonathan" <Glaser_Jonathan@bah.com>
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>
> Greetings,
> I have only been on this list for a short period of time but really enjoy it.
>
> I haven't put together my first club yet -- im getting ready....
>
> Has anyone ever played the Golfsmith O/S Project? Its a LH model and comes in
> a slightly flatter lie (59 deg. on the 5-iron) and since im only 5'4 i hope
> that might save me time/money bending the heads. If y'all can recommend a
> cavity backed, peripheral weighted iron that comes in LH from somewhere else
> -- im all ears.
>
>
I'm not left handed, but I do play the O/S Project irons from Golfsmith.
IMO, it is a terrific iron and I have loved playing with it the last two years.
A friend of mine is left handed (but slightly taller than you) and bought
standard lie O/S Projects as well. He too enjoys them very much. The O/S Project
irons are oversized and have a deep cavity. Golfsmith must be commended on making
some very well designed irons.

>
> And, has anyone any experience with the True Temper Gold Plus shaft? Worth the
> $?
>

As a matter of fact, my O/S Projects are fitted with Gold Plus R300 shafts.
I beleive that the shaft is the engine of the club. Although the O/S Projects are
good heads, IMO, the right combination of shaft and head is the secret. This
combination of R300 and O/S P seems to work very well for me. As far as I am
concerned, the Gold Plus is a light weight steel shaft that is worth every cent.
Your mileage may vary.

> Of course, any advice on making that first set of irons is appreciated (and
> yes, I am only going to start with 1 club!) Thanks, in advance
>
>
I am willing to help you out with this, but I'll probably need a half
hour atleast to write down some of the tips and tricks I use to assemble clubs.
Perhaps, I will write up something at home this weekend and post it later next
week. I am sure that others in this forum might have some info for you as well.

BTW, if you do end up making a new set of O/S Project irons, get ready to
recalibrate your distance chart. The O/S P's are stronger lofted clubs (King
Cobra like) and therefore you probably will find yourself hitting a 7I when
you may have hit a 6I with a more traditionally lofted set (If thats what you
are currently playing with).

All said and done,

O/S Projects + TT Gold Plus = Great Clubs

I'm sure you will enjoy them. BTW, I am in no way affiliated with Golfsmith.

Regards

Raj

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From: Mike McGaharan <mwmcga@most.fw.hac.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 11:08:23 -0500
Subject: ShopTalk: In Search of Louisville Golf Sotch Ironheads

I am looking for a complete set (1-SW) of the Scotch Classic ironheads made
by Louisville Golf and sold through Dynacraft until last year. Please let
me know if you can help me. I would consider an assembled set in excellent
condition. These are for my personal use, not for a customer.

Thank You,
Mike


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From: Dan Witte <dwitte@cssnw.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 15:35:14 -0700
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Suggestions for Beginner -Reply

Hi Larry,

I don't want you to take this the wrong way, but the purpose of the list is to discuss issues on-line so that
the whole group can benefit from it.

Thanks

Dan

>>> Larry Dorough <ljdoro@earthlink.net> 08/01/96 11:35am >>>
Whittle, Whit wrote:
> > Hello All,
> > I have just subcribed to this list in the past week and have really been
> enjoying it!
> > I have recently began putting together my first club (A 5-wood with
> steel shaft) and have some questions:
> > 1. Are all steel shafts difficult to tip trim? I was not expecting to
> have difficulty with this step but I almost ruined the shaft. I tried
> to use a hacksaw but finally resorted to a tube cutter.
> > 2. What produces the best results in adrading (sp?) the tip? Also, how
> does one tell when the tip has been "roughed-up" enough?
> > Thanks in advance!
> > Whit Whittle
> Birmingham, AL


Whit,

I'm a new subscriber to this service as well (2 days) and really like it as you do.

I'm by no means as advanced in club making as many of the guys here but may be a little ahead of you.
Give me a call day or night to discuss your questions. Days: (205) 945-7156/945-7142 Nights: (205)
655-4148

Additionally, there is some really great info on clubmaking and fitting at
http://dunkin.princeton.edu/golf/clubmaking. I really enjoyed the stuff by Dave Tutelman.

Larry Dorough
Birmingham/Trussville



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From: "Glaser Jonathan" <Glaser_Jonathan@bah.com>
Date: 2 Aug 1996 17:10:51 U
Subject: ShopTalk: Supplies, etc.

Can anyone direct me to a source for identifying the minimum tools and
supplies necessary to assemble steel shaft clubs (or just list them if you've
got the time)? For example: pipe/shaft cutter, grip tape, epoxy, ruler or
measuring tape, etc. And if you have any personal favorites, they are welcome
as well. Thanks again,

JG

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From: miko <miko@julian.uwo.ca>
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 18:21:46 -0400
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: In Search of Louisville Golf Sotch Ironheads

Mike McGaharan wrote:
>
> I am looking for a complete set (1-SW) of the Scotch Classic ironheads
> made by Louisville Golf and sold through Dynacraft until last year.
> Please let me know if you can help me.

Mike check out the list of suppliers, etc.
at http://clubmaker-online.com/

- --
| |

db miko
Mac Shack Golf
PCS-Class A Clubmaker
London, Ontario, CANADA

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From: smart golf <smartgolf@c9.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 22:05:29 -0400
Subject: ShopTalk: (no subject)

has anyone been to the golfsmith clubmaking school, austin tx?
would like to hear of your experiences, good and bad

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From: rajan@autoa.com (Raj V. Rajan)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 96 22:14:46 EDT
Subject: ShopTalk: Supplies, etc.

> Date: 2 Aug 1996 17:10:51 U
> Priority: Urgent
> From: "Glaser Jonathan" <Glaser_Jonathan@bah.com>
> X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-MS 3.0.2
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>
> Can anyone direct me to a source for identifying the minimum tools and
> supplies necessary to assemble steel shaft clubs (or just list them if you've
> got the time)? For example: pipe/shaft cutter, grip tape, epoxy, ruler or
> measuring tape, etc. And if you have any personal favorites, they are welcome
> as well. Thanks again,
>
> JG
>

Jonathan,

A while ago someone else asked the same question, and here is what I had
posted as a reply then. Hope this helps:-

> ..................... (stuff deleted) .............
>I use the following equipment.
>
> A) Workbench with a vice (Make yourself a workbench if you dont have one)
> Tubing cutter
> Hacksaw blade (rod saws for cutting graphite shafts)
> Masking tape
> Utility knife
> - Some hooked blades (for cutting old grips)
> Some fine grade sandpaper (for turning ferrules down)
> Nail Polish Remover (for restoring the lustre of turned down ferrules)
> Measuring tape.
>
> B) Grip Solvent (I went with the Organic variety)
> 3/4inch Grip tape
> Rubber Shaft Clamp
> Surface Conditioning Strips (to prep graphite shaft tips)
> Shafting Epoxy (Part A and Part B)
> Mixing cups
>
>All items listed under category A can be purchased from your local hardware
>store. Steal your wive's/girlfriend's nail polish remover ;-). Items listed
>under B I purchased from Golfsmith. With the above equipment I have put
>together metal woods, Irons and putters.
>
>I could probably use a more accurate club length measuring device (I made my
>own contraption for this, based on some of the pictures I saw of such devices
>in the catalogs). I'm not making clubs as a business so I do not own a
>swingweight scale or frequency analyzer. If your intent is to sell the clubs
>you make you may need atleast a swingweight scale and all the other
>paraphernalia that goes with it.
>
>Hope this helps. I've enjoyed clubmaking and so far have had good success
>with the clubs I have put together.
>

Regards

Raj

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From: djmiller@wolf.co.net (Daniel J. Miller)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 15:29:07 -0500
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Golfsmith Sterling Irons??????

>I would appreciate any feedback on the Sterling irons from Golfsmith. How
>do they
>play, hit well? , etc. Also, are the matching Sterling shafts a good shaft or
>do you recommend something else. Thanks for any input.
>

I'll try to keep this short, but will probably be unsuccessful! I've used
the Golfsmith Sterling irons for two weeks. I built them with plans to sell
them later, but now am seriously considering keeping them. Why? Here goes:

I've been playing Harvey Penick Master irons for the past 2 seasons.
(Golfsmith Carbon Stick Filament Wound shaft R-flex.) My divots have been
deep toward the toe indicating that I need a more upright lie. My plan was
to send them in to have them bent 2 degrees upright. I didn't want to be
without clubs for the 3 or 4 weeks that they'd be gone, so I started paging
through the Golfsmith catalog for something I could build for a good price,
use for a few weeks, and then sell. I chose the Sterling mostly because it
is already 2 degrees upright from the Penick Master. This would give me a
chance to try the more upright lie. I decided to go with the Carbon Tour
5.0 shaft because it's on special for $10.95 and has pretty good spec's for
a "cheap" graphite shaft. (Even though Golfsmith promotes this shaft for
mid to high handicappers, I'm an 8 handicap.)

Here's the shocker: I'm hitting the Sterlings as well as I've ever hit the
Penick Master's. They feel very solid on the sweet spot and off center
hits. I've been very pleasantly surprised! My plan now is to try to sell
the Penick Master's and keep the Sterlings. (Incidentally, this is meant to
take nothing away from the Penick Master's. I've loved them since I started
using them. The difference is that I have more than double the money tied
up in them. The only draw back is that I've really become attached to my
Penick Master 11 iron. Sterling doesn't have one. Hopefully, soon...)

One additional note: I have a smooth swing, and even though my swing speeds
are up there, I prefer a more flexible shaft. I tip trimmed the Carbon Tour
5.0's 1/4 inch less than specified. They "feel" great!

I hope this helps...

Would like to read any comments on the above "essay"!

Dan
djm


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